Disgusted by the Trump administration part II

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 11:50 AM
posted by Spock

lol....they didnt keep it quite....its all out there.  The Steele dossier......Rigged DNC toward Clinton.....the firing of half the bosses in the FBI.  THere is more evidence on the Clinton/FBI/DOJ rigging the election then Trump and Russia doing it.

Maybe there is more.  Maybe there isn't.  There is zero of both that is anything beyond speculative and reasonably coincidental.

Those things you just mentioned aren't evidence.  They're just different portions of the conspiracy you're trying to defend with them.  You're begging the question.

 

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 11:52 AM
posted by Spock

no media outlet has any credibility anymore.  you have to take the whole sum of all of them, decide what their angle is and believe the opposite.

LOL

So, you have effectively decided that no evidence is required to believe something.  You just need to believe the opposite of what you see in the majority of the news.  So, if Fox agrees with the rest, that must be an even BIGGER conspiracy, because then, they're getting ALL the outlets in on it.

This might be the craziest shit I've ever read, and I run in libertarian circles.  I've heard some actual tinfoil-wearing crazy shit.

Spock Senior Member
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 12:24 PM
posted by O-Trap

LOL

So, you have effectively decided that no evidence is required to believe something.  You just need to believe the opposite of what you see in the majority of the news.  So, if Fox agrees with the rest, that must be an even BIGGER conspiracy, because then, they're getting ALL the outlets in on it.

This might be the craziest shit I've ever read, and I run in libertarian circles.  I've heard some actual tinfoil-wearing crazy shit.

They dont agree.  You have 95% of the news cycle as the left wing media propaganda machine.  You do know that they media spins everything with a certain angle right?  That is what Trump means as "fake news".  They all do it, even Fox.

Heretic Son of the Sun
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 12:49 PM

Lol, what Trump means as "fake news" is any news that doesn't portray him the way he wants to be portrayed. Whether it's actually fake or not means nothing. He just knows that he can bellow "FAKE NEWS" and his diehards will bleet it constantly and consistently without even thinking about thinking about looking to see if it is factual or not.

Spock Senior Member
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 12:58 PM
posted by Heretic

Lol, what Trump means as "fake news" is any news that doesn't portray him the way he wants to be portrayed. Whether it's actually fake or not means nothing. He just knows that he can bellow "FAKE NEWS" and his diehards will bleet it constantly and consistently without even thinking about thinking about looking to see if it is factual or not.

Well I am not one of his boner boys.......I see the slant on the media.  What makes it fake 99% of the time is that they only tell you what you want to hear

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 1:52 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

Uhhh yeah I'm sure that is what he is implying. Us here in the normal world, do not believe in conspiracy theories like that. 

 

Not really a theory, but believe what makes you feel good.

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 2:04 PM
posted by Spock

They dont agree.  You have 95% of the news cycle as the left wing media propaganda machine.  You do know that they media spins everything with a certain angle right?  That is what Trump means as "fake news".  They all do it, even Fox.

Media is delivered by people.  People have slants.  People have become less disciplined about being aware of those slants.  Hence, of course "the media" spins everything.

However, it's spun by individuals.  Not some centralized secret power controlling thousands of people, none of whom have spelled out the actual scheme.

They really should teach Occam's Razor more rigorously in school.
 

posted by Spock

Well I am not one of his boner boys.......I see the slant on the media.  What makes it fake 99% of the time is that they only tell you what you want to hear

1. You are one of his boner boys.

2. That's not how you use an ellipsis.  It's also not what it looks like.

3. It tells who what who wants to hear?  Do you honestly think the 325 million people in the US all want to hear the same thing?  If not, how would it tell the proverbial "you" what you want to hear?

 

Spock Senior Member
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 2:10 PM
posted by O-Trap

Media is delivered by people.  People have slants.  People have become less disciplined about being aware of those slants.  Hence, of course "the media" spins everything.

However, it's spun by individuals.  Not some centralized secret power controlling thousands of people, none of whom have spelled out the actual scheme.

They really should teach Occam's Razor more rigorously in school.
 

posted by Spock

Well I am not one of his boner boys.......I see the slant on the media.  What makes it fake 99% of the time is that they only tell you what you want to hear

1. You are one of his boner boys.

2. That's not how you use an ellipsis.  It's also not what it looks like.

3. It tells who what who wants to hear?  Do you honestly think the 325 million people in the US all want to hear the same thing?  If not, how would it tell the proverbial "you" what you want to hear?

 

1.  The way the news is reported (all the way down to the words they use or not use i.e. the use of the word "undocumented" instead of the word "illegal") is dictated and determined by the bosses in charge.  Not the person reporting the news.

 

2.  The media doesnt care about context clues, they are planning on people being blind sheep and taken everything verbatim.

 

3.  Yea I think they are that dumb that they think the way we hear their news should be taken as 100% accurate.

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 2:25 PM
posted by Spock

1.  The way the news is reported (all the way down to the words they use or not use i.e. the use of the word "undocumented" instead of the word "illegal") is dictated and determined by the bosses in charge.  Not the person reporting the news.

What I said still applies.
 

2.  The media doesnt care about context clues, they are planning on people being blind sheep and taken everything verbatim.

And what are these "context clues" that are going to make all the difference?
 

3.  Yea I think they are that dumb that they think the way we hear their news should be taken as 100% accurate.

Who's that dumb?  All 325 million of us?  Being dumb isn't synonymous with all wanting to hear the same thing.

Spock Senior Member
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 3:00 PM
posted by O-Trap

What I said still applies.
 

2.  The media doesnt care about context clues, they are planning on people being blind sheep and taken everything verbatim.

And what are these "context clues" that are going to make all the difference?
 

3.  Yea I think they are that dumb that they think the way we hear their news should be taken as 100% accurate.

Who's that dumb?  All 325 million of us?  Being dumb isn't synonymous with all wanting to hear the same thing.

thanks for making my points for me.

Heretic Son of the Sun
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 3:02 PM
posted by Spock

Well I am not one of his boner boys.......I see the slant on the media.  What makes it fake 99% of the time is that they only tell you what you want to hear

And there's the site comedy for the day, as anyone who has read your posts on this forum since Trump became a serious candidate KNOWS that is a total lie.

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Tue, Nov 13, 2018 3:03 PM
posted by Spock

thanks for making my points for me.

You have yet to formulate one of your own, so I'm happy to oblige.

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
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Thu, Dec 13, 2018 1:56 PM

While still not impressed by Trump, I haven't been pissed at him for a little while. I think the last time I was truly pissed was when he signed the budget bill that was outrageous simply because of what was allotted to the military. That doesn't mean I don't still roll my eyes at him or try not to listen to anything he says. I think I'm just getting better at dismissing him.

wkfan Senior Member
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Fri, Dec 14, 2018 8:26 AM

Lifelong conservative here.......

My 2019 prediction is impeachment.....or resignation before impeachment happens.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Fri, Dec 14, 2018 8:31 AM
posted by wkfan

Lifelong conservative here.......

My 2019 prediction is impeachment.....or resignation before impeachment happens.

Impeachment as in from the house where it will die in the Senate? I think the dems trying to impeach in the house will fire up the right again (like Kav). I think the left should just ride it out hope their own primary process doesn't kill all of their own. 

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Fri, Dec 14, 2018 8:42 AM

Best case scenario he loses the ‘20 election. Impeachment would be bad for the country. Would only further divide the US and the economy would have a meltdown. 

Just let him keep snorting adderalls until 2020 and then get someone the hell else in there. 

wkfan Senior Member
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Fri, Dec 14, 2018 8:44 AM
posted by iclfan2

Impeachment as in from the house where it will die in the Senate? I think the dems trying to impeach in the house will fire up the right again (like Kav). I think the left should just ride it out hope their own primary process doesn't kill all of their own. 

It may very well die in the Senate as they need a two-thirds majority to convict, which would mean that 20 R's would have to vote for.......but we will see the process start and be affirmed in the House and go to the Senate, which I hate to see as it will do nothing but add to the divisiveness in our country.

 

 

Spock Senior Member
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Fri, Dec 14, 2018 10:20 AM

2020 will be Trump losing in the primary to someone else.  He wont have a chance at being president.  

 

THe primary winner runs at Trump lite and crushes the dems easily.  

Spock Senior Member
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Fri, Dec 14, 2018 10:50 AM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/opinions/melania-trump-interview-poll-brower/index.html

 

To go after the first lady.......complete classless move.  Media has hit a new bottom.  If Trump was a Dem she would be a media darling.

Spock Senior Member
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