HitsRus;1754437 wrote:he won't be the last ...cue the media.

I blame a lot of the widespread media "availability" on many of these shootings. I'm not saying the media is saying "go shoot people" but when there wasn't as much media availability (internet, Twitter, etc) you didn't see nearly as many of these incidents.

With the "instant gratification" society that we live in where information is out there at the snap of a finger, the media can throw out these stories instantly and then we get copycats. You hardly ever heard of shit like Columbine but once it happened, the floodgates opened and we see this stuff a lot. Hell, up until Columbine, the only school shooting story I can remember was the story that prompted the Boomtown Rat's "I Don't Like Mondays."

I'm not saying "do away with the information age" but I am basically saying with the info readily available, this is going to be the norm instead of the exception.

Heretic;1754436 wrote:Sick. But once again, Quaker jacking off to a tragic event because he was able to immediately react with a political talking point.

Obama was out there with his gun control talking points within 15 minutes. Just saying.

Heretic;1754436 wrote:Sick. But once again, Quaker jacking off to a tragic event because he was able to immediately react with a political talking point.

You say it is about politics, however my comment is actually about saving lives and sparing families this horrific grief.


You are wrong, yet again.

You wanna save lives don't give the shooter attention give attention to the victims.

Would anyone's life really be different if they couldn't own a gun or if gun's weren't available to buy? I get the whole right to arms, but how different would your life be if you couldn't own a gun? I don't think it would change, at all.

queue everyone with "But that's not the point..."

QuakerOats;1754412 wrote:Sick. But once again, a gun-free zone = target-rich environment.

iclfan2;1754466 wrote:Right. I can't believe the shooter would break a law like that.

iclfan2;1754480 wrote:Obama now spouting off that more guns wouldn't be any safer.... ummmmm.....

Belly35;1754486 wrote:

Just in case you guys didn't know, UCC (along with all public colleges in Oregon) is not a "Gun Free Zone." It can't be. That's against state law. If someone had a valid concealed carry permit, they are allowed to have their firearm with them on campus.

Soooooooo, what else you got?

Source: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/01/3708256/ucc-was-not-a-gun-free-zone-because-public-colleges-in-oregon-cant-ban-guns/

sportchampps;1754593 wrote:You wanna save lives don't give the shooter attention give attention to the victims.

And this was my point about the media. They sensationalize this shit and then some whack job thinks "hey, those kids from Columbine got famous for doing this....how about me?"

Raw Dawgin' it;1754594 wrote:Would anyone's life really be different if they couldn't own a gun or if gun's weren't available to buy? I get the whole right to arms, but how different would your life be if you couldn't own a gun? I don't think it would change, at all.

queue everyone with "But that's not the point..."

Unless guns were eliminated from the face of the planet, people are going to find ways to get them. If a criminal wants to commit a crime, they don't need a gun. They will find a way.

BR1986FB;1754597 wrote:Unless guns were eliminated from the face of the planet, people are going to find ways to get them. If a criminal wants to commit a crime, they don't need a gun. They will find a way.

I get that. I'm just asking, if we had the same laws as other countries, don't you think we'd have a lot less murders and shootings? I do. I also get the other side of responsible gun owners. I've been shooting and I enjoy it. I think the big issue are people who use them responsibly and also people who hunt. How do you regulate to prevent things like this? There have been 45 school shootings this year, you don't think they should make adjustments to the law to get that number as close to zero as possible? Do you think someone on a stabbing spree would kill or hurt as many people as someone with a gun?

sherm03;1754595 wrote:Just in case you guys didn't know, UCC (along with all public colleges in Oregon) is not a "Gun Free Zone." It can't be. That's against state law. If someone had a valid concealed carry permit, they are allowed to have their firearm with them on campus.

Soooooooo, what else you got?

Source: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/01/3708256/ucc-was-not-a-gun-free-zone-because-public-colleges-in-oregon-cant-ban-guns/

The first thing you have to do is stop reading progressive websites. Think progress is an intolerant, agenda driven bunch of half truths that has even less scruples than the far right wing "nut jobs" websites.
Of course you can legally carry on campus ... You just can't take them in the buildings.

Raw Dawgin' it;1754594 wrote:Would anyone's life really be different if they couldn't own a gun or if gun's weren't available to buy? I get the whole right to arms, but how different would your life be if you couldn't own a gun? I don't think it would change, at all.

queue everyone with "But that's not the point..."

Right to bear arms against a tyrannical government.

Raw Dawgin' it;1754598 wrote:I get that. I'm just asking, if we had the same laws as other countries, don't you think we'd have a lot less murders and shootings? I do. I also get the other side of responsible gun owners. I've been shooting and I enjoy it. I think the big issue are people who use them responsibly and also people who hunt. How do you regulate to prevent things like this? There have been 45 school shootings this year, you don't think they should make adjustments to the law to get that number as close to zero as possible? Do you think someone on a stabbing spree would kill or hurt as many people as someone with a gun?

They wouldn't need a knife. Our "lovely" media seems to educate people on everything these days. Everything from broadcasting when the military plans on bombing certain areas to how to make a bomb out of a pressure cooker. If some nut job wants to take out a group, I'm sure they can figure out how to make a bomb, or some other weapon, pretty easily.

ernest_t_bass;1754601 wrote:Right to bear arms against a tyrannical government.

This would be my biggest concern with the current assclown who is in office.

Raw Dawgin' it;1754598 wrote:I get that. I'm just asking, if we had the same laws as other countries, don't you think we'd have a lot less murders and shootings? I do. I also get the other side of responsible gun owners. I've been shooting and I enjoy it. I think the big issue are people who use them responsibly and also people who hunt. How do you regulate to prevent things like this? There have been 45 school shootings this year, you don't think they should make adjustments to the law to get that number as close to zero as possible? Do you think someone on a stabbing spree would kill or hurt as many people as someone with a gun?

Short of banning guns nationwide, which will never happen, I think increased background checks for gun owners, psych evals, etc. are a good start. Also increase punishments for people who commit crimes with an unregistered weapon. You can start with a grace period where people can come in with their guns and get them registered and allow for a background check free of charge. If the owner who does this is deemed unfit, the gun is taken away and they are reimbursed.

Now you may say, well only the responsible people will do this, and you are right. But it's a start. Over time, I could see this being beneficial especially if owners had to re-up their psych evals every 5-10 years.

sleeper;1754604 wrote:I think increased background checks for gun owners, psych evals, etc. are a good start.

It still won't stop the "bad guys" from getting guns, though. Every regulation halts (for the most part) responsible gun owners.

BR1986FB;1754597 wrote:Unless guns were eliminated from the face of the planet, people are going to find ways to get them. If a criminal wants to commit a crime, they don't need a gun. They will find a way.

My biggest issue with guns is they make committing mass murder way easier, and they escalate situations to murder. So many murders happen because a passionate fight turned deadly due to easy gun access.

This country will never accept that a few bad apples have ruined guns for responsible owners, so we are just going accept 85 gun deaths a day and mass murders of children. It isn't rocket science, many other countries don't have this problem.

ernest_t_bass;1754606 wrote:It still won't stop the "bad guys" from getting guns, though. Every regulation halts (for the most part) responsible gun owners.

This is my biggest beef. When law-abiding citizens have their rights infringed upon in order to prevent something that is seemingly unpreventable, something is amiss.

When reading through some documents I did find this - "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." (Most likely the most poorly written sentence I have ever laid eyes on.)

I just don't think addressing gun control - even to the extent of banning them - will fix anything. People will get guns one way or another. I'd rather see mental health addressed more. But probably and unfortunately, this is going to be the norm going forward.

Makes me sick when shit like this happens and politicians exploit the nation's attention to the tragedy by pushing a political agenda.

Makes me annoyed that celebrities tweet things like, "enough is enough. Ban __________ and stop this once and for all." Like it's that fucking easy and the solution has been that this whole time and nobody but the holier than thou celebrities have realized it.

Makes me sad to read that 4chan thread. But that's 4chan for ya.

Raw Dawgin' it;1754594 wrote:Would anyone's life really be different if they couldn't own a gun or if gun's weren't available to buy? I get the whole right to arms, but how different would your life be if you couldn't own a gun? I don't think it would change, at all.

queue everyone with "But that's not the point..."

How about the elimination of drag racing, billiards, golf or fishing for law biding citizens. As a gun owner I buy weapons as a personal enjoyment of shooting, practice to shoot competitively, means of relaxation, some way a means of a hobby. I’m not a hunter for food but to those who are their lives would be altered. I enjoy shooting ground hog on farmer property for the hell of it. As a weapons expert in the military it is part of who I am and my past. As a gun owner I like the feeling of protecting my self, family, other if needed and property when ever I can. I like knowing I’m self sufficient in my duty to protect.
So you want to take my weapons and the ability too buy weapons from the individual who has protected their county, law biding citizen, productive member of society because of crazy individual.

Yes my life would change and yours would to and all of American would be worse.

...mofo.

Belly35;1754622[B wrote:]How about the elimination of drag racing, billiards, golf or fishing[/B] for law biding citizens. As a gun owner I buy weapons as a personal enjoyment of shooting, practice to shoot competitively, means of relaxation, some way a means of a hobby. I’m not a hunter for food but to those who are their lives would be altered. I enjoy shooting ground hog on farmer property for the hell of it. As a weapons expert in the military it is part of who I am and my past. As a gun owner I like the feeling of protecting my self, family, other if needed and property when ever I can. I like knowing I’m self sufficient in my duty to protect.
So you want to take my weapons and the ability too buy weapons from the individual who has protected their county, law biding citizen, productive member of society because of crazy individual.

Yes my life would change and yours would to and all of American would be worse.

I don't think banning guns would help anything. But it doesn't make sense to compare guns to racing, billiards, etc. Those hobbies didn't kill/wound dozens yesterday.

ernest_t_bass;1754606 wrote:It still won't stop the "bad guys" from getting guns, though. Every regulation halts (for the most part) responsible gun owners.

No it won't. But it will reduce the amount of crazies with guns that might pop off one day. The "Bad guys" aren't the ones who are going into schools committing mass murder. There really is no way to stop the shootings entirely but mitigating them is an option. Not sure why it has to be all or nothing.

friendfromlowry;1754630 wrote:I don't think banning guns would help anything. But it doesn't make sense to compare guns to racing, billiards, etc. Those hobbies didn't kill/wound dozens yesterday.

I'm with you on billiards, but 3,287 people die every day in car crashes.

Are we as a society at that juncture point of "Profiling"?
American data base (not on someone private server) of career criminal, rapes, terrorist and crazy nutjobs. Mass killing or Profiling (worse of two evils)
For the protection of our citizen, watch dog and the prevention of potential acts of violence by know deviants and medical HIPAA records.