DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jun 28, 2012 6:42pm
Even you can be raped, and I hope that happens to you.isadore;1214299 wrote:even you can be redeemed.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 6:42pm
but he won one today.Rotinaj;1214349 wrote:I blame Obama.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 6:43pm
gosh a ruddies, there is still hope for you.DeyDurkie5;1214358 wrote:Even you can be raped, and I hope that happens to you.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 6:44pm
There's no indication based on this site and it's posters that "hope" will have any impact. You have no ability to wield change on another individual. It is they and only they that can do so.isadore;1214357 wrote:again, that is your opinion. I have more faith in the long term results. And I think the effort has value.
It's a little arrogant to believe you might have such power. Isn't arrogance one of the thins you are hoping to change in folks?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 6:47pm
I do not claim perfection, not even close. Of course people help in the change of others often for the bettter. People are changed by what other people say to them.Con_Alma;1214361 wrote:There's no indication based on this site and it's posters that "hope" will have any impact. You have no ability to wield change on another individual. It is they and only they that can do so.
It's a little arrogant to believe you might have such power. Isn't arrogance one of the thins you are hoping to change in folks?
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 6:50pm
Perfection? Where did that come from? My question is not about perfection but rather perceived arrogance.isadore;1214365 wrote:I do not claim perfection, not even close. Of course people help in the change of others often for the bettter. People are changed by what other people say to them.
To claim you can change another seems a bit arrogant. Isn't arrogance one of the things you seek to change?
If you can't change them, if you don't wield such power, it is reinforcement that "hope", your "hope" will do nothing.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 7:03pm
you may perceive arrogance as one of my traits. But it is a mistaken view. i don't think trying to help people is arrogant. i do not claim to be able to redeem everyone on this site. Some these people will need a much stronger voice than mine to lead them from the morass of greed, selfishness and bigotry they have fallen into. But I believe it has value to let them know when they practice those behaviors, and to tell them they can still redeem their lives.Con_Alma;1214370 wrote:Perfection? Where did that come from? My question is not about perfection but rather perceived arrogance.
To claim you can change another seems a bit arrogant. Isn't arrogance one of the things you seek to change?
If you can't change them, if you don't wield such power, it is reinforcement that "hope", your "hope" will do nothing.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 7:44pm
Whererby did I claim to perceive arrogance as a trait of yours? Trying to help someone isn't arrogant. Believing you wield the power to change another seems a bit arrogant. I'll try and be more clear.isadore;1214384 wrote:you may perceive arrogance as one of my traits. But it is a mistaken view. i don't think trying to help people is arrogant. i do not claim to be able to redeem everyone on this site. Some these people will need a much stronger voice than mine to lead them from the morass of greed, selfishness and bigotry they have fallen into. But I believe it has value to let them know when they practice those behaviors, and to tell them they can still redeem their lives.
Hope in their redemption will not change anyone no matter the value you believe exists in letting them know.
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 28, 2012 8:06pm
Everyone views them as exaggeration. You truly are the worst.isadore;1214355 wrote:you view them as exaggerations, i do not.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 8:09pm
Con_Alma;1214432 wrote:Whererby did I claim to perceive arrogance as a trait of yours? Trying to help someone isn't arrogant. Believing you wield the power to change another seems a bit arrogant. I'll try and be more clear.
Hope in their redemption will not change anyone no matter the value you believe exists in letting them know.
Gosh I don’t think it is that unusual for a person to change or help to change the lives of others. Preachers, priests, rabbis, therapists, teachers, parents, siblings, friends have changed the lives of others. They have changed and redeemed lives. I have provided a method to try to change the lives by showing them the destructiveness of their actions and offer hope of a change.Con_Alma wrote: My question is not about perfection but rather perceived arrogance.
To claim you can change another seems a bit arrogant. Isn't arrogance one of the things you seek to change?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 8:12pm
no and in your opinion.rmolin73;1214477 wrote:Everyone views them as exaggeration. You truly are the worst.
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 28, 2012 8:12pm
Your method is garbage. Hope this helps.isadore;1214482 wrote:Gosh I don’t think it is that unusual for a person to change or help to change the lives of others. Preachers, priests, rabbis, therapists, teachers, parents, siblings, friends have changed the lives of others. They have changed and redeemed lives. I have provided a method to try to change the lives by showing them the destructiveness of their actions and offer hope of a change.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 8:13pm
It's not unusual for a person to change. Only they can choose to do so. It's not unusual to try and help change someone. Helping them is not the same as wielding the power to change them. It seem arrogant to think you can change someone.isadore;1214482 wrote:Gosh I don’t think it is that unusual for a person to change or help to change the lives of others....
"Hope" in redemption will not change anyone.
In the quotes of mine you offer there's no mention of perceiving you are arrogant but rather the quote references the question previously asked about perceived arrogance. Do you see the difference?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 8:13pm
normolin73;1214487 wrote:Your method is garbage. Hope this helps.
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 28, 2012 8:14pm
Everyting that you are spewing here is your opinion. Anyone else that believes as I do please chime in.isadore;1214485 wrote:no and in your opinion.
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 28, 2012 8:16pm
There is still hope for you then.isadore;1214489 wrote:no
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 8:18pm
His method has been shown by the actions of the posters on this site he offers it to, to be noneffective according to the continuation of that which he "hopes" will be redeemed.rmolin73;1214487 wrote:Your method is garbage. Hope this helps.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 8:22pm
With many of folks, change is at least a two person process.Con_Alma;1214488 wrote:It's not unusual for a person to change. Only they can choose to do so. It's not unusual to try and help change someone. Helping them is not the same as wielding the power to change them. It seem arrogant to think you can change someone.
"Hope" in redemption will not change anyone.
In the quotes of mine you offer there's no mention of perceiving you are arrogant but rather the quote references the question previously asked about perceived arrogance. Do you see the difference?
someone to offer them the hope of change, redemption. Also let them know what needs to be changed and why it should be changed and possibly how to change it. I provide at least to of those steps fed by the hope of redemption.
No, you just said you think I am arrogant. It is a free country, perceive what you want.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 8:24pm
its a free country and there is hope for your redemption.rmolin73;1214491 wrote:Everyting that you are spewing here is your opinion. Anyone else that believes as I do please chime in.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 8:28pm
isadore;1214510 wrote:With many of folks, change is at least a two person process.
someone to offer them the hope of change, redemption. Also let them know what needs to be changed and why it should be changed and possibly how to change it. I provide at least to of those steps fed by the hope of redemption.
No, you just said you think I am arrogant. It is a free country, perceive what you want.
No matter how many people the process of change may take, it won't happen without the person who is changing making such a decision. "Hope" for redemption won't change anyone.
Well, let me clarify. I don't think your arrogant. Now, don't you think it's arrogant to believe someone can wield the power to change another? Isn't arrogance one of the things you are seeking to rid?
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 28, 2012 8:30pm
Tell me what makes you ASSume that I haven't been?isadore;1214513 wrote:its a free country and there is hope for your redemption.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Jun 28, 2012 8:37pm
obviously it's because you haven't been running through parks with a knife sharpener hunting pit bullsrmolin73;1214523 wrote:Tell me what makes you ASSume that I haven't been?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 8:47pm
And for many people it won’t happen without the help and even intervention of others You find people at this site overflowing with selfishness, greed and bigotry. One possible avenue to lead them toward redemption is by me pointing out examples of their abhorrent beliefs and then suggesting that redemption is possible. Given their deep commitment to the listed vices, the process will be long and difficult. But there is hope for the long term success in redeeming some of the sites reprobates.Con_Alma;1214518 wrote:No matter how many people the process of change may take, it won't happen without the person who is changing making such a decision. "Hope" for redemption won't change anyone.
Well, let me clarify. I don't think your arrogant. Now, don't you think it's arrogant to believe someone can wield the power to change another? Isn't arrogance one of the things you are seeking to rid?
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 28, 2012 8:47pm
Al thats probably because where I'm from isadore is the animal.Al Bundy;1214533 wrote:obviously it's because you haven't been running through parks with a knife sharpener hunting pit bulls
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 8:51pm
are you beyond the pale.rmolin73;1214523 wrote:Tell me what makes you ASSume that I haven't been?