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isadore
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Jun 28, 2012 5:31pm
and if they went by that, the civil rights struggle would have quit before the Montgomery bus boycott and the gay rights movement before the stonewall riots.Con_Alma;1214225 wrote:There's no evidence anywhere that it's a slow go but in fact quite the opposite. "Hope" won't change that...only the respective individual and their choices...but your feelings of accomplishment may continue to be significant!
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 28, 2012 5:32pm
"Judge ye not lest ye be judged".isadore;1214223 wrote:ah ye of little faith. With those committed to the selfish act of owning or defending ownership of a killer dog, the way to enlightment is slow. As the self centered nature of keeping these dogs dawns on them, as they finally realize the unneeded threat their family and neighbors. Then they may change. But the fact that they would make the choice to have or defend having that dog, shows how twisted they are in that aspect of their lives. For that reason it is a slow go.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 28, 2012 5:32pm
I said nothing of my own grammar, punctuation, spelling, or the like. I'm far from some ultimate judge, which is probably why I never tout it. There's nothing to tout.isadore;1214205 wrote:From the killer dog thread, I appreciate your efforts as the ultimate judge of grammar, syntax and reading comprehension. What I do realize is, at least occasionally, to use a comma. Your buddy hacker doesn’t.
I said your "reading comprehension" was off. That has nothing to do with your grammatical use, punctuation, syntax, or spelling, nor does it address me at all.
I have already. If you are an advocate for good, I trust you will be happy for this.isadore;1214205 wrote: But I continue my efforts with my limited tools in the service of good. Hopefully you will have your road to Damascus moment and come to the side of the good.
isadore;1214205 wrote:To try mirror Jesus is admirable, to claim to be his reflection is sacrilege.
Theoretically, if it were true, it would not be, as the Apostle Paul commanded the church to "be imitators of God" in Ephesians. However, since I don't believe anyone is a perfect reflection, it would be an untrue statement for someone to say they are.
isadore;1214205 wrote:My small efforts are to help redeem some folks lost in greed, selfishness and bigotry while they are on earth.
To assume that you possess the power to actually aid in the redemptive process is to claim something beyond being human. We cannot redeem, nor can we even assist in redemption. We can only live such lives as to direct people to what can.
isadore;1214205 wrote:When he tells a harlot to go and sin no more and when he offers a thief who defends him a place in heaven, that is pretty definite.
Certainly, they are. I didn't say they were not.
isadore;1214205 wrote:Your buddy the hacker selects his companions, those he supports and by that choice so he is identified.
Insisting that a logical fallacy is not fallacious ... a "guilt by association" assertion ... lends to the fact that you believe what you will, and that what is factual is irrelevant to you.
isadore;1214205 wrote: Gosh a ruddies how forgiving you are of his use of mental retardation as an insult.
Perhaps he was being literal, though using a politically incorrect term.
Moreover, it's very likely he meant it in a colloquial way, which is not literally used in connection to people with an actual ailment. Whether it is APPROPRIATE or not is a different matter. I don't personally like the term, but I'm not the one that said it.
isadore;1214205 wrote:“see no evil” works for you.
Not at all. As I said before, the things you're crusading against at the moment are seen in this forum, not to mention other vices like pride. However, I am careful to judge or accuse as little as possible. I would rather err on the side of mercy than on the side of judgment.
isadore;1214205 wrote:No wonder you can find no examples of violence and bigotry in his statements.
On the contrary, I'm not actively hoping to find it. I only wish to see what is there. I don't have a crusade, so I don't seek vices out in others.
Perhaps you misread what I wrote. Here, let me quote it for you:isadore;1214205 wrote: Gosh anyone who has posted 6433 time so far on this site and has not seen innumerable examples of greed, selfishness and bigotry among the 1.2 million posts definitely falls into the “see no evil” category.
"As for whether or not there are, and have been, examples? Sure there are, and have."
Now, if I say there have been examples of what you say, am I not agreeing with you that they ARE on the forum? Would that not suggest that I have indeed noted them?
This is what I mentioned about reading comprehension. I hope you will work on this through meditation and focus, and that you will receive an ever greater redemption because of it.
Cheers!
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 5:34pm
Lol course it is my way. Did you think I was sharing someone else's?? Lolisadore;1214236 wrote:Appropriate injection, now that is rich. Greed, selfishness and bigotry should not be supported or ignored.
Oh may be it was not appropriate to stand up for the poor at that time. And that it was not appropriate to support gay marriage in that forum or oppose racism on that thread. We must always be appropriate. We would not want to give offense to the greedy, hurting the feeling of the racists or insult a homophobe. Well that is your way, not mine.
Those threads you mentioned were not riddled with the comments of redemption and hope like you have repetitively posted with shotgun like routine. It is those actions that are not benefiting the efforts you claim to be so defendant of. It's that lack of appropriate usage and time that i speak of. It garners no benefit to those you offer it to in the manner you provide it on this forum. Nor will it. Your "hope" for them serves only yourself in a feeling of accomplishment. ....That's a good thing if that's what you seek.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 5:35pm
Amen. I could not have nor did I say it more clearly than this.O-Trap;1214242 wrote:...
To assume that you possess the power to actually aid in the redemptive process is to claim something beyond being human. We cannot redeem, nor can we even assist in redemption. We can only live such lives as to direct people to what can.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 5:38pm
It is not they I speak of. You are far from them. Their's were acts of appropriateness with events and timeliness. Yours are not by the nature of the circumstances present.isadore;1214240 wrote:and if they went by that, the civil rights struggle would have quit before the Montgomery bus boycott and the gay rights movement before the stonewall riots.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 5:51pm
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing."rmolin73;1214241 wrote:"Judge ye not lest ye be judged".
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isadore
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Jun 28, 2012 5:54pm
according to you of course. But my actions in this case are done on a media of our time. Done appropriately to the extent, I use very little profanity, I do not make threats, I point out their selfishness, their greed and their bigotry. using the medium they used. now that is appropriate.Con_Alma;1214251 wrote:It is not they I speak of. You are far from them. Their's were acts of appropriateness with events and timeliness. Yours are not by the nature of the circumstances present.
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Con_Alma
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Jun 28, 2012 5:55pm
For the triumph of good the opportunity to teach through the two most effective forms that people learn...experience and observation need be employed. Providing an example to observe as opposed to words to read or to listen to is a more effective means of positioning good triumph.isadore;1214263 wrote:"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing."
"Hope"ing for redemption won't change anything.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 5:56pm
According to the medium you are using, this bulletin board, there is no gain as a result of your methods.isadore;1214267 wrote:according to you of course. But my actions in this case are done on a media of our time. Done appropriately to the extent, I use very little profanity, I do not make threats, I point out their selfishness, their greed and their bigotry. using the medium they used. now that is appropriate.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 5:56pm
an amen maybe appropriate if i was claiming to redeem their immortal souls, i am not.Con_Alma;1214248 wrote:Amen. I could not have nor did I say it more clearly than this.
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 28, 2012 5:56pm
I can guarantee that many of us "good" people are doing a lot more for others than you are.isadore;1214263 wrote:"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing."
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 5:58pm
according to you, again in those so flawed it is a slow process. second point you do realize that many people read these threads and do not comment. usually there are as many or even more guests than members on site.Con_Alma;1214270 wrote:According to the medium you are using, this bulletin board, there is no gain as a result of your methods.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 5:59pm
fella, you dont know me and you would loss that bet.rmolin73;1214272 wrote:I can guarantee that many of us "good" people are doing a lot more for others than you are.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 5:59pm
That which you are seeking to redeem is not being met with success according to this bulletin board. "Hope" won't do so.isadore;1214271 wrote:an amen maybe appropriate if i was claiming to redeem their immortal souls, i am not.
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 28, 2012 6:00pm
Lose*isadore;1214275 wrote:fella, you dont know me and you would loss that bet.
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isadore
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Jun 28, 2012 6:02pm
you continuously go back to hoping and as I have explained there are actions that go along with that hope.Con_Alma;1214268 wrote:For the triumph of good the opportunity to teach through the two most effective forms that people learn...experience and observation need be employed. Providing an example to observe as opposed to words to read or to listen to is a more effective means of positioning good triumph.
"Hope"ing for redemption won't change anything.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 6:02pm
no, according to the posts on the bulletin board by those you direct the "hope" of redemption.isadore;1214274 wrote:according to you, again in those so flawed it is a slow process. second point you do realize that many people read these threads and do not comment. usually there are as many or even more guests than members on site.
Your expressed hope is very direct with regards to whom you have wished it upon. It is those people I have spoken of. You have not expressed hope for others, unidentified that may be reading and not commenting. There's no evidence nor history that such an effort on such a medium has an impact over time with those who are posting. Those that you express the wish of "hope"ful redemption" have through posts indicated the effort is not nor will it be successful.
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isadore
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Jun 28, 2012 6:03pm
thanks.rmolin73;1214279 wrote:Lose*
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 28, 2012 6:03pm
It is the "hope" I speak of not any additional actions. May those actions be impacting in all you seek them to be.isadore;1214283 wrote:you continuously go back to hoping and as I have explained there are actions that go along with that hope.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 6:03pm
you only look at the short run.Con_Alma;1214276 wrote:That which you are seeking to redeem is not being met with success according to this bulletin board. "Hope" won't do so.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jun 28, 2012 6:04pm
LOL you guys are trying to get this site to make money, and you allow thread shits like isadore to happen. Get a clue and ban that doucher from this site, and you can have your internet moneys
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 28, 2012 6:04pm
Isadore is the very reason why people have issues with believers.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 6:05pm
to help people twisted by greed, selfishness and bigotry is a slow process. you must attack the presumptions first.Con_Alma;1214289 wrote:It is the "hope" I speak of not any additional actions. May those actions be impacting in all you seek them to be.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 28, 2012 6:06pm
even you can be redeemed.DeyDurkie5;1214291 wrote:LOL you guys are trying to get this site to make money, and you allow thread ****s like isadore to happen. Get a clue and ban that doucher from this site, and you can have your internet moneys