ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jun 26, 2012 10:33am
O-Trap;1211981 wrote:
1. I'd make the rules against "douche-baggery," which would be defined as anything I think is being a douche bag. There would be a two-warning system because of the subjective nature.
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like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 26, 2012 10:35am
http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/search.php?searchid=918800ernest_t_bass;1211983 wrote:Define
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 26, 2012 10:49am
Where Justin comes from a "sister forum" would be something completely different.O-Trap;1211981 wrote: 2. I'd create a "sister" forum where more adult-themed topics would be permitted, thus ensuring that I didn't lose AdSense eligibility while still allowing certain topics that Google doesn't normally allow.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 26, 2012 10:51am
Nope. Hard-line definitions are for people who are looking for loopholes.ernest_t_bass;1211983 wrote:Define
Given the warning system, there would be no surprise bans, as you'd be told twice what you were doing that was being perceived as "douche-baggery."
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 26, 2012 11:07am
This. Of all the idiotic rules they had on that other site, the "No posting just to cause trouble" rule made perfect sense. It's not difficult to determine, it really isn't.O-Trap;1212002 wrote:Nope. Hard-line definitions are for people who are looking for loopholes.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 26, 2012 11:10am
And honestly, as long as you're benevolent about it as a Mod (balance between "it doesn't really matter" attitude and Internet hardass attitude), and you explain yourself, I think most people who aren't here to troll are going to be fine with you. They may not always agree, but people can disagree without throwing tantrums.queencitybuckeye;1212026 wrote:This. Of all the idiotic rules they had on that other site, the "No posting just to cause trouble" rule made perfect sense. It's not difficult to determine, it really isn't.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2012 11:11am
Posting to make trouble is pretty difficult to determine. The best way to kill an internet forum is to make too many rules. If someone posts his religious beliefs on the forum, and I come in and trash belief system using logic and reason; am I causing trouble? Or am I expressing my opinion on the matter that disagrees with their broken opinion?queencitybuckeye;1212026 wrote:This. Of all the idiotic rules they had on that other site, the "No posting just to cause trouble" rule made perfect sense. It's not difficult to determine, it really isn't.
Gosh a ruddies.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 26, 2012 11:15am
Not that tough.sleeper;1212031 wrote:Posting to make trouble is pretty difficult to determine.
Completely agree.The best way to kill an internet forum is to make too many rules.
Not necessarily, but if there were a dozen such topics and you insisted on doing so on each and every one, the answer is yes. You know it (notwithstanding any denial), I know it, everyone here knows it.If someone posts his religious beliefs on the forum, and I come in and trash belief system using logic and reason; am I causing trouble?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2012 11:28am
Apparently I don't know it. Calling someone's religion a fraud is like calling a ponzi scheme a fraud. It's not trolling if its true.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 26, 2012 11:36am
Not the case.sleeper;1212051 wrote: It's not trolling if its true.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jun 26, 2012 11:38am
queencitybuckeye;1212035 wrote:Not necessarily, but if there were a dozen such topics and you insisted on doing so on each and every one, the answer is yes. You know it (notwithstanding any denial), I know it, everyone here knows it.
Yes you dosleeper;1212051 wrote:Apparently I don't know it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2012 11:39am
If something is true, its simply a reality. The fact that said poster takes offense to said reality, reflects poorly on said poster and not the person presenting the facts.
Why punish those who bring facts to a debate and vindicate those who remain ignorant in their various positions? If that's the forum you want, then you'll have a dead forum. Enjoy!
Why punish those who bring facts to a debate and vindicate those who remain ignorant in their various positions? If that's the forum you want, then you'll have a dead forum. Enjoy!
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 26, 2012 11:45am
Because a message board != a debate. It's not a recitation of facts. Opinion (informed and uninformed) and emotion are allowed.sleeper;1212069 wrote:If something is true, its simply a reality. The fact that said poster takes offense to said reality, reflects poorly on said poster and not the person presenting the facts.
Why punish those who bring facts to a debate and vindicate those who remain ignorant in their various positions? If that's the forum you want, then you'll have a dead forum. Enjoy!
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 26, 2012 11:45am
We have, basically, the same views on religion. The difference is I'm not an asshole to everyone that has a belief that doesn't align with mine.sleeper;1212069 wrote:If something is true, its simply a reality. The fact that said poster takes offense to said reality, reflects poorly on said poster and not the person presenting the facts.
Why punish those who bring facts to a debate and vindicate those who remain ignorant in their various positions? If that's the forum you want, then you'll have a dead forum. Enjoy!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2012 11:49am
Neither am I. And I don't think we have the same views on religion. You don't see a problem with deluding people with false promises and false beliefs in exchange for money and influence. I do. It isn't just a lack of belief in religious faith, its a severe crisis of morals and intellect to allow young children to be hoodwinked and exploited before they are even old enough to walk much less form a rational opinion based on the facts. Or to restrict the freedom of women from having control over their bodies, to dress how they'd like, to vote, to choose the man they marry, etc.justincredible;1212081 wrote:We have, basically, the same views on religion. The difference is I'm not an asshole to everyone that has a belief that doesn't align with mine.
Ethics and morals are out the window because it's god's plan, and god is good and god is not a manifestation of man's greed and ignorance. Call me when you open your eyes and grow a pair; then our views will be the same.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 26, 2012 11:50am
Why cannot it still be? If the point is to stir trouble, then it doesn't matter if the trouble-stirrer is correct or not. In the case of a truth claim (a claim being stated as true, whether true or not), the same logic must be applied, whether it is true or not, because the belief on truth claims varies, and thus, one can state something as fact based on his own worldview and not be correct. However, if he thinks he is, he can appeal to the notion that he's not trolling because he's right, regardless of whether or not that notion is true.sleeper;1212051 wrote: It's not trolling if its true.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2012 11:51am
Great. So what's your beef?queencitybuckeye;1212080 wrote:Because a message board != a debate. It's not a recitation of facts. Opinion (informed and uninformed) and emotion are allowed.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2012 11:51am
If something is true, its simply a reality. The fact that said poster takes offense to said reality, reflects poorly on said poster and not the person presenting the facts.O-Trap;1212090 wrote:Why cannot it still be? If the point is to stir trouble, then it doesn't matter if the trouble-stirrer is correct or not. In the case of a truth claim (a claim being stated as true, whether true or not), the same logic must be applied, whether it is true or not, because the belief on truth claims varies, and thus, one can state something as fact based on his own worldview and not be correct. However, if he thinks he is, he can appeal to the notion that he's not trolling because he's right, regardless of whether or not that notion is true.
Why punish those who bring facts to a debate and vindicate those who remain ignorant in their various positions? If that's the forum you want, then you'll have a dead forum. Enjoy!
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 26, 2012 11:52am
No beef, you made a erroneous statement, and I corrected it.sleeper;1212092 wrote:Great. So what's your beef?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2012 11:54am
Trolling is an uninformed opinion at worst and could be a fact at best. Again, what's your problem with trolling?queencitybuckeye;1212097 wrote:No beef, you made a erroneous statement, and I corrected it.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 26, 2012 11:56am
I don't have your number.sleeper;1212089 wrote:Call me when you open your eyes and grow a pair; then our views will be the same.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Jun 26, 2012 11:57am
sleeper;1212098 wrote:Trolling is an uninformed opinion at worst and could be a fact at best. Again, what's your problem with trolling?
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 26, 2012 11:57am
It without exception lowers the signal to noise ratio, often to the point of driving out those who make participating in the forum worthwhile.sleeper;1212098 wrote:Trolling is an uninformed opinion at worst and could be a fact at best. Again, what's your problem with trolling?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2012 12:07pm
That sounds awful.queencitybuckeye;1212101 wrote:It without exception lowers the signal to noise ratio, often to the point of driving out those who make participating in the forum worthwhile.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2012 12:07pm
You don't need it. Tweet #sleeperwins and my people will contact you.justincredible;1212099 wrote:I don't have your number.