Commander of Awesome;938713 wrote:If thats what the raiders are doing to win, I'm glad the browns arent doing anything.
Skyhook79;938941 wrote:Mike Brown would not have traded Palmer for 3rd or even a 2nd round pick. Nice fail post
Its only dumb if Palmer doesn't perform well in Oakland for the remainder of his contract and on how the players the Bengals draft end up being.Terry_Tate;938949 wrote:Honestly can't believe I'm saying this but he's right. It could maybe have happened for a 2nd but most likely not. Mike Brown made it so he'd have to be overwhelmed to get rid of Palmer, and he finally got something too good to pass up. I still think he had to get a boost from Marvin or someone to pull the trigger, though. This was not a bidding war, it was a wait to see if someone was dumb enough to give up something outrageous.
No its still dumb.They gave a up 2 first rounders for a guy who at best plays 5 more seasons. I would think he plays 3 more realistically. They also wasted a 3rd round pick on a QB in the supplemental draft who now will continue to be buried on the depth chart. Doesn't make sense any way you look at it. 2 first rounders are supposed to 2 stars/foundations for you team moving forward. They sacrificed that for an unknown.Skyhook79;938951 wrote:Its only dumb if Palmer doesn't perform well in Oakland for the remainder of his contract and on how the players the Bengals draft end up being.
The players the Bengals draft have no relevance on what the Raiders would have done if they had the picks. It was a horrible trade.Skyhook79;938951 wrote:Its only dumb if Palmer doesn't perform well in Oakland for the remainder of his contract and on how the players the Bengals draft end up being.
Skyhook79;938941 wrote:Mike Brown would not have traded Palmer for 3rd or even a 2nd round pick. Nice fail post
Skyhook79;938947 wrote:The Raiders kicked the Browns butt with Kyle Boller as the QB. I'm glad your glad the Browns aren't doing anything because they aren't doing anything and haven't since they came back.
Wow, first I agree with skyhook, now I mostly agree with COA. To be fair, right now its a first and a second rounder. The only way the Raiders look ok is if they win the division a few times or at least make an afc championship game.Commander of Awesome;939015 wrote:No its still dumb.They gave a up 2 first rounders for a guy who at best plays 5 more seasons. I would think he plays 3 more realistically. They also wasted a 3rd round pick on a QB in the supplemental draft who now will continue to be buried on the depth chart. Doesn't make sense any way you look at it. 2 first rounders are supposed to 2 stars/foundations for you team moving forward. They sacrificed that for an unknown.
Wow, first I agree with skyhook, now I mostly agree with COA. To be fair, right now its a first and a second rounder. The only way the Raiders look ok is if they win the division a few times or at least make an afc championship game.Commander of Awesome;939015 wrote:No its still dumb.They gave a up 2 first rounders for a guy who at best plays 5 more seasons. I would think he plays 3 more realistically. They also wasted a 3rd round pick on a QB in the supplemental draft who now will continue to be buried on the depth chart. Doesn't make sense any way you look at it. 2 first rounders are supposed to 2 stars/foundations for you team moving forward. They sacrificed that for an unknown.
What does this thread have to do with the Browns? If you think trading away your first round picks for a middle tier QB who has missed the first 7 weeks of the season is doing something to help your organization then you are an idiot. You have quickly become part of the OC idiot team recently. Why don't you go QQ because someone has made fun of former OSU QBs. "Boo hoo Troy Smith should be a starting QB in the NFL." "QQ TP is not a thug QQ!"Pick6;938712 wrote:at least they are doing something to win games, unlike the Browns organization.
This. Don't expect the simple minded skyhook to understand that. The Raiders may not even win their division once let alone a few times.Terry_Tate;939057 wrote:Wow, first I agree with skyhook, now I mostly agree with COA. To be fair, right now its a first and a second rounder. The only way the Raiders look ok is if they win the division a few times or at least make an afc championship game.
boller didn't even put points. smh at skyhook.Skyhook79;938947 wrote:The Raiders kicked the Browns butt with Kyle Boller as the QB. I'm glad your glad the Browns aren't doing anything because they aren't doing anything and haven't since they came back.
Thats what I said "if he performs well" winning 2 Division Titles and making it to an AFC Championship game would be doing well.Terry_Tate;939055 wrote:Wow, first I agree with skyhook, now I mostly agree with COA. To be fair, right now its a first and a second rounder. The only way the Raiders look ok is if they win the division a few times or at least make an afc championship game.
Commander of Awesome;939015 wrote:No its still dumb.They gave a up 2 first rounders for a guy who at best plays 5 more seasons. I would think he plays 3 more realistically. 2 first rounders are supposed to 2 stars/foundations for you team moving forward. They sacrificed that for an unknown.
You got me there, with the Bengal's scouting department they will probably just waste them.Skyhook79;939096 wrote:Its 1 first rounder and how do you know what a 1st round pick will end up doing? Oh I forgot all 1st rounders do well... insert several Bengal and many other 1st round picks who failed!! Isn't that more of an "unknown" than a guy who has 7 season's under him???? Nice try commander of fail
Last 3 years the Bengals have made some VERY nice picks with their 1st-3rd rounders. If you hit on those consistently over a few years and sprinkle in a few hits in the later rounds, you're going to get pretty good, pretty quickly.Commander of Awesome;939106 wrote:You got me there, with the Bengal's scouting department they will probably just waste them.
point is dumb fuck, who gives a shit if they over payed for a player. It obviously gives them the best chance to win. Seeing that its mostly Browns fans that I see on here making a huge deal out if, they need to take notes. Thats why your team is shit. You dont pay the face of your franchise, you dont spend money on FAs. You have a loyal fan base, and its obvious Lerner is more concerned with making money and not actually producing a good product on field. Yet, you are all delusional saying "we are building for the future." Its been how many fucking years since the Browns have been back? How long does it take to "build"? LOL. Take notes, you have to take risks to win in this league.like_that;939062 wrote:What does this thread have to do with the Browns? If you think trading away your first round picks for a middle tier QB who has missed the first 7 weeks of the season is doing something to help your organization then you are an idiot. You have quickly become part of the OC idiot team recently. Why don't you go QQ because someone has made fun of former OSU QBs. "Boo hoo Troy Smith should be a starting QB in the NFL." "QQ TP is not a thug QQ!"
Majority of this board is Browns fan "dumbass".Pick6;939117 wrote: Seeing that its mostly Browns fans that I see on here making a huge deal out if, they need to take notes. Thats why your team is shit.
More QQing I see. If you don't like the OC then GTFO, we all can live without you getting your panties in a bunch.Pick6;939117 wrote:point is dumb fuck, who gives a shit if they over payed for a player. It obviously gives them the best chance to win. Seeing that its mostly Browns fans that I see on here making a huge deal out if, they need to take notes. Thats why your team is shit. You dont pay the face of your franchise, you dont spend money on FAs. You have a loyal fan base, and its obvious Lerner is more concerned with making money and not actually producing a good product on field. Yet, you are all delusional saying "we are building for the future." Its been how many fucking years since the Browns have been back? How long does it take to "build"? LOL. Take notes, you have to take risks to win in this league.
And nice fail putting words in my mouth. Typical OC douche bag way.
Browns shitty or not, the Raiders have been the butt end of everyone's jokes the past 8 years.Automatik;939191 wrote:A Cleveland fan calling the Raiders the "the joke of the league." Now thats rich.
I thought that title belonged to the Bengals?
No matter how anyone wants to spin it, what Oakland gave up was idiotic. The first round pick alone is insane, but the conditional pick paired with it that could end up a first rounder puts it over the top.
So now next year they have zero picks in the first four rounds iirc. Um yeah....idiotic.
At #2, thats not many fans.BGFalcons82;939226 wrote:1. Boller actually led the drive that ended up in the fake FG. Technically, he was responsible for the drive.
2. The Raiders actually acquired the Bengal fan base for 2 years. The conditional pick goes from a second rounder to a first rounder if the Raiders make the AFC Championship game. See...all you Bengal fans thought you cheered your last game for Carson! The irony is too rich.
3. I didn't realize there were so many sooth-sayers on here, predicting how the Raiders will perform so poorly over the next few years. Got any relevant predictions to go along with worthless football guesses?
Carry on, though. I enjoy guffawing at those that have never experienced championship seasons and yet...have ALL the answers. If only Lerner and Brown would subscribe to the OC!!
BR1986FB;939109 wrote:Last 3 years the Bengals have made some VERY nice picks with their 1st-3rd rounders. If you hit on those consistently over a few years and sprinkle in a few hits in the later rounds, you're going to get pretty good, pretty quickly.