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Jul 22, 2011 8:51 AM
And honestly, do you think that there will be fan backlash if they give up a prospect and fail? I don't because these fans have been BEGGING for the Dolan regime to stop sitting on their hands. At least they would be TRYING instead of making the usual excuses.
Jul 22, 2011 8:51am
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Jul 22, 2011 9:02 AM
Exactly whether they like it or not they need to try and compete this year. I wouldn't be opposed to bring up Pomeranz soon either they dude has electric stuff and could bring a big spark to this team. Outside of masterson the rotation has been inconsistent. I would be happy with Ludwick and kuroda or Chen. Ludwick although his batting average is in the 240's his rbis is in the 60's and driving in runs have been the tribes problem. I know I'll be pissed if they do nothing bc this team can compete now. The only team in the al that scares me are the red sox. But right now they are not healthy in there rotation and you don't know how that will effect them come October. The time to compete is now, there is no next year bullshit
Jul 22, 2011 9:02am
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Jul 22, 2011 10:49 AM
Sooooo, Ive been gone for 2 days Kipnis up and no trade for Ludwick or Willingham yet?

SMH.


Also, I would take Michael Bourn, but not if its THE trade we make. Id take him as a second trade. We need some fucking speed.
Jul 22, 2011 10:49am
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Jul 22, 2011 10:57 AM
Listening to WKNR yesterday, it sounded like the Tribe's mentality was "getting Choo & Alex White back will be almost like/just as good as making trades." I smh.
Jul 22, 2011 10:57am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:03 AM
Go figure I just want to punch Dolan in the fucking dick
Jul 22, 2011 11:03am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:04 AM
Crimson streak;837438 wrote: And if you get to the playoffs anything can happen.

Okay this is now like the 15th time I've seen this line posted, but IMO it's not entirely true, not in baseball. In other sports upsets happen in the playoffs (see Seahawks over Saints), but not really baseball because it's a series and in general the better team will almost always win, and the Indians would be underdogs in both the division and championship series, and I don't see them beating either the Red Sox, Yankees, or Rangers in a 5 or 7 game series. If anything, the pitching will make them competitive, but good enough? I don't see it.

The next few years ARE our years. This isn't 2008 when our farm system was devoid of talent, we have 2 future starters at least (Pomeranz, White) still down there and possibly another bat (Beau Mills who just got called up to AAA after hitting .300 with 11 HRs in Akron, he seems to finally be getting over the hump) or 2 still there. We are actually years ahead of schedule, so this is one year I wouldn't mind not making a move unless we get a sweet deal.


Oh, and go tell the Rays that they're "just prospects". Their farm system was the reason they went to a World Series a few years back and the reason they're competing for a wild card/division title.
Jul 22, 2011 11:04am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:07 AM
Per Buster Olney
Rival execs beginning to believe CLEV's moves will be more incremental than anything. CLE won't trade prime assets to augment '11 Indians.
Exactly, and I'm perfectly okay with this, even if the vast majority of you aren't.
Jul 22, 2011 11:07am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:10 AM
I agree to an extent except about the playoffs. Baseball is all about getting hot at the right time look at the Rockies in 08. They won like 20 of 21 just to get to the playoffs and ended up going to the world series. This tribe team when hot can beat anyone in a series. If an outfield bat can be had for a single a or aa player you do it. It isn't mortgaging the future at all. It's just the owner being a cheap ass Jew bastard and giving bullshit excuses
Jul 22, 2011 11:10am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:10 AM
Laley23;837575 wrote:S
Also, I would take Michael Bourn, but not if its THE trade we make. Id take him as a second trade. We need some fucking speed.


Bourn doesn't have enough speed? Leads MLB in stolen bases, 5th in triples.
Jul 22, 2011 11:10am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:11 AM
IF, and I think it is a big if, the Tribes pulls the Trigger on Ludwick, do you think this line-up could propel them to win the AL Central?
IMO, it is going to depend on Chishenhall and Kipnis. At least 1 of those guys has to be able to produce for the last 2 months of the season. If they both do, which is highly unlikely, then the line-up could actually be pretty deep. Also, either Choo or Sizemore needs to come back and play at or near their potential.
Jul 22, 2011 11:11am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:13 AM
lhslep134;837624 wrote:Per Buster Olney



Exactly, and I'm perfectly okay with this, even if the vast majority of you aren't.

I'm ok with that like I said but when you can upgrade your team for a plater that's not even going to be considered in your future plans you do it. I'm not saying give up drew, white, Kipnis or chiz. But guys like mccalaster and Gomez are expendable bc there not in the future plans
Jul 22, 2011 11:13am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:14 AM
Crimson streak;837628 wrote:I agree to an extent except about the playoffs. Baseball is all about getting hot at the right time look at the Rockies in 08. They won like 20 of 21 just to get to the playoffs and ended up going to the world series. This tribe team when hot can beat anyone in a series. If an outfield bat can be had for a single a or aa player you do it. It isn't mortgaging the future at all. It's just the owner being a cheap ass Jew bastard and giving bull**** excuses

Okay name a single A or AA player we have that we can trade for anyone mentioned in this thread.

And again, I said in general about the playoffs and you posted the 1 exception, not the rule, I can post 100s of instances about the rule, I don't need to hear about the one exception.

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It's just the owner being a cheap ass Jew bastard


^^stop being a redneck piece of $hit.
Jul 22, 2011 11:14am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:14 AM
karen lotz;837629 wrote:Bourn doesn't have enough speed? Leads MLB in stolen bases, 5th in triples.

He's saying the tribe needs speed not that Bourn doesn't have speed.
Jul 22, 2011 11:14am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:18 AM
lhslep134;837635 wrote:Okay name a single A or AA player that we can trade for anyone mentioned in this thread.

And again, I said in general about the playoffs and you posted the 1 exception, not the rule, I can post 100s of instances about the rule, I don't need to hear about the one exception.

Also,

^^stop being a redneck piece of $hit.

Ludwick and willingham can be had for a low ball prospect. And agreed but it could happen and we have seen what this tribe team can do when playing up to their potential. They are very talented just inconsistent. And a redneck? Lol sorry far from it
Jul 22, 2011 11:18am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:21 AM
lhslep134;837617 wrote:
The next few years ARE our years. This isn't 2008 when our farm system was devoid of talent, we have 2 future starters at least (Pomeranz, White) still down there and possibly another bat (Beau Mills who just got called up to AAA after hitting .300 with 11 HRs in Akron, he seems to finally be getting over the hump) or 2 still there. We are actually years ahead of schedule, so this is one year I wouldn't mind not making a move unless we get a sweet deal.
I don't disagree w/ the Indians being a year or 2 ahead of schedule. But, they do have a current team that can compete, especially if they could add another bat. Michael Brantley can play and is having a solid season. Asdrubal Cabrera is probably having a career year, at least power #'s wise. Travis Hafner is close to his old self. Throw in a healthy Choo and a streaky Santana and you have 5 guys that are legitimate threats. IF you add another solid bat to the lineup, and let Chiz, Kipnis and Laporta hit 7-9 you have a chance if they can get to October.
Jul 22, 2011 11:21am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:22 AM
Crimson streak;837637 wrote: And a redneck? Lol sorry far from it

It was a redneck piece of $hit comment, so if it came from you I have no choice but to make an assumption about it's source. If it was a false assumption, then so be it, but it was a d__che comment to make so I had to defend my fellow Jew.

Back on topic, again, you're speaking in generalities, what A or AA prospect do we have that you could see the Padres or A's taking?
Jul 22, 2011 11:22am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:27 AM
Wooball;837643 wrote: Throw in a healthy Choo and a streaky Santana and you have 5 guys that are legitimate threats.

A. Choo's not healthy

B. When he was healthy, he struggled

C. how can you say streaky Santana and then in the same sentence mention him as a legitimate threat? There's nothing threatening about streakiness, if that streak could be a 1-20 slump.

Right now we have 3 legit threats, Druby, Brantley, and Hafner. IF the rest of our lineup picks up, I most definitely agree with have a chance. In all reality, the entire reason we're in contention is because of how good we played when hot, but the reason we don't have a 10 game lead is because of how bad we are when we suck. That alone tells me a giant shakeup involving one of our top prospects is not a good idea.

Say what you want about McCallister and Gomez but they're young and we have no idea how good they can be with steady innings. It was only 2 years ago and last year that Masterson struggled and we thought there was no chance he'd be great.
Jul 22, 2011 11:27am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:30 AM
lhslep134;837644 wrote:It was a redneck piece of $hit comment, so if it came from you I have no choice but to make an assumption about it's source. If it was a false assumption, then so be it, but it was a d__che comment to make so I had to defend my fellow Jew.

Back on topic, again, you're speaking in generalities, what A or AA prospect do we have that you could see the Padres or A's taking?

Haha fair enough but I am German ;)
A lot of the time in these deals it's not really about who they are getting back more than the team taking the contract off of there books. I'm not too familiar with the tribes lower end prospects so I'm not sure but I'm sure the padres could find someone they would want for Ludwick
Jul 22, 2011 11:30am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:33 AM
lhslep134;837617 wrote:Okay this is now like the 15th time I've seen this line posted, but IMO it's not entirely true, not in baseball. In other sports upsets happen in the playoffs (see Seahawks over Saints), but not really baseball because it's a series and in general the better team will almost always win, and the Indians would be underdogs in both the division and championship series, and I don't see them beating either the Red Sox, Yankees, or Rangers in a 5 or 7 game series. If anything, the pitching will make them competitive, but good enough? I don't see it.
I disagree with this. I think the baseball playoffs out of all league playoffs is the biggest crapshoot there is. Yeah in the NFL you will get an upset here and there, but chances are that team isn't going to make a run and win a title when they clearly had no business winning a title. In baseball I have seen teams all the time win a WS when they had no business being there (see 2006 Cardinals).
lhslep134;837624 wrote:Per Buster Olney
Exactly, and I'm perfectly okay with this, even if the vast majority of you aren't.
I do agree with this. If Dolan is a cheap piece of shit (Jew lol), then there is no reason to trade our potential talent only to have that player leave once his contract is up. It's not worth it. I much rather see this team lose the division by a few games than see the franchise get set back another 5 years because they got trade raped again. I mean seriously Willingham, Ludwick, Francour? Are those guys really worth giving up young prospects?

lhslep134;837644 wrote:It was a redneck piece of $hit comment, so if it came from you I have no choice but to make an assumption about it's source. If it was a false assumption, then so be it, but it was a d__che comment to make so I had to defend my fellow Jew.

Back on topic, again, you're speaking in generalities, what A or AA prospect do we have that you could see the Padres or A's taking?

lol at crying about the jew comment. Get over it. Dolan is a cheap piece of shit, and if he is a jew, he fits in with the stingy jew stereotype. It's a stereotype for a reason.
Jul 22, 2011 11:33am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:38 AM
Crimson streak;837652 wrote: I'm not too familiar with the tribes lower end prospects so I'm not sure but I'm sure the padres could find someone they would want for Ludwick

Looking through our farm system, I don't really know what the Padres or A's are looking for. I agree they could probably find someone, but we'll see. I just don't want to give up any of the following: White, Pomeranz, McCallister or Gomez (unless in the right deal), Mills, Bryson Myles (he's going to be our next star from Mahoning Valley, book it).
Jul 22, 2011 11:38am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:39 AM
lhslep134;837647 wrote:A. Choo's not healthy

B. When he was healthy, he struggled

C. how can you say streaky Santana and then in the same sentence mention him as a legitimate threat? There's nothing threatening about streakiness, if that streak could be a 1-20 slump.

Right now we have 3 legit threats, Druby, Brantley, and Hafner. IF the rest of our lineup picks up, I most definitely agree with have a chance. In all reality, the entire reason we're in contention is because of how good we played when hot, but the reason we don't have a 10 game lead is because of how bad we are when we suck. That alone tells me a giant shakeup involving one of our top prospects is not a good idea.

Say what you want about McCallister and Gomez but they're young and we have no idea how good they can be with steady innings. It was only 2 years ago and last year that Masterson struggled and we thought there was no chance he'd be great.

A. I didn't realize Choo wasn't healthy, thanks for informing me.
B. Choo had struggled this year, correct. But over his last 12 games he was hitting .315. Also, I'd say 2008-2010 would say that the first half of this year is an anomaly, and he would have a more productive 2nd half.
C. If Santana is streaking HOT and not in a 1-20 slump does that not make him a threat? Especially if he could be in the 6 spot of the line-up?

Plus, I'd be willing to give up 1 of McAllister or Gomez for a proven RH power stick. McAllister and Gomez do not have Masterson's stuff.
Jul 22, 2011 11:39am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:44 AM
lhslep134;837662 wrote:Looking through our farm system, I don't really know what the Padres or A's are looking for. I agree they could probably find someone, but we'll see. I just don't want to give up any of the following: White, Pomeranz, McCallister or Gomez (unless in the right deal), Mills, Bryson Myles (he's going to be our next star from Mahoning Valley, book it).

You really wouldn't part with Beau Mills? The guy will be 25 this summer. This was his 3rd year at Akron, he is ANOTHER LEFT HANDED hitter. Where does he fit in the Tribe's future?
Jul 22, 2011 11:44am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:45 AM
like_that;837657 wrote: In baseball I have seen teams all the time win a WS when they had no business being there (see 2006 Cardinals).

The Cardinals definitely had business being there, the NL was TERRIBLE that year. Once they got there, they used superior starting pitching (Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright, then had Jeff Weaver and Anthony Reyes outduel Verlander) which always beats good hitting.

Like I said, I stand by my statement, that the better team in baseball almost always wins. At the very least, superior starting pitching beats good hitting, and maybe that's why these "undeserving" teams make the World Series, despite not so great records in the regular season because of injuries, slumps, etc.

Find me instances of a less talented team winning the world series, otherwise I stand by my point.
Jul 22, 2011 11:45am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:46 AM
karen lotz;837629 wrote:Bourn doesn't have enough speed? Leads MLB in stolen bases, 5th in triples.

SMH at your reading comprehension:D
Jul 22, 2011 11:46am
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Jul 22, 2011 11:47 AM
Wooball;837667 wrote:You really wouldn't part with Beau Mills? The guy will be 25 this summer. This was his 3rd year at Akron, he is ANOTHER LEFT HANDED hitter. Where does he fit in the Tribe's future?

He just got called up to AAA, let's see what he does. He's a straight thumper, and went through some personal issues the past 2 years. There's a reason we took him in the 1st round. Led the Aero's in HRs.

As for where does he fit in the future? Well Hafner's not going to be here forever, and Mills pretty much has Hafner type power (obviously not as talented or proven at this point).
Jul 22, 2011 11:47am