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queencitybuckeye

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Jan 5, 2011 10:38 AM
karen lotz;626570 wrote:Better yet what would the outrage be like if he escaped and was on his way down the sideline when the play was blown dead by a late whistle?

I can only speak for myself that my thought would have been "They got the call right, bummer".
Jan 5, 2011 10:38am
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Prescott

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Jan 5, 2011 10:39 AM
Again, what would have been the sentiment if Herron broke the initial tackle was able to get around the corner and then ran for a 99 yard TD or whatever
It would have a been a TD as a result of an official not blowing the play dead when forward progress was stopped.
Jan 5, 2011 10:39am
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stroups

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Jan 5, 2011 10:48 AM
It was absolutely ridiculous they did not blow that play dead.

What about the play when they called OSU for a false start when there were 1 or 2 arky players in the neutral zone? That was a unreal call
Jan 5, 2011 10:48am
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vball10set

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Jan 5, 2011 11:11 AM
IMO, if he were to of broken free, they would've whistled the play dead stating that his forward progress was stopped at the 2 yard line
Jan 5, 2011 11:11am
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Sonofanump

Jan 5, 2011 11:32 AM
IMKO, I believe that the incorrect call was made. Two reasons:
1) Who put the runner in the endzone? The defenders, the progress was the 2-yard line.
2) The reverse angle replay showed the Line Judge clearly comes onto the field at the 2-yard line with his hand raised (which is the same as a whistle for those of you fans who don’t understand the rules of the game) to start the play clock. He felt forward progress had been established and signalled it. He should have stepped up and saved the crew.

IMKO, It’s either dead at the 2 yard line or an inadvertent signal

FYI. A national poll among NCAA football officials on a message board has this at 72% incorrect call.

I am sure that we will be instructed via video on this call next year by Perry or Redding.
Jan 5, 2011 11:32am
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Sonofanump

Jan 5, 2011 11:35 AM
OrrvilleQB;626415 wrote:Well, Glad to have an officials view....

Who are you referring to?
Jan 5, 2011 11:35am
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Scarlet_Buckeye

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Jan 5, 2011 12:14 PM
Sonofanump;626675 wrote:IMKO, I believe that the incorrect call was made. Two reasons:
1) Who put the runner in the endzone? The defenders, the progress was the 2-yard line.
2) The reverse angle replay showed the Line Judge clearly comes onto the field at the 2-yard line with his hand raised (which is the same as a whistle for those of you fans who don’t understand the rules of the game) to start the play clock. He felt forward progress had been established and signalled it. He should have stepped up and saved the crew.

IMKO, It’s either dead at the 2 yard line or an inadvertent signal

FYI. A national poll among NCAA football officials on a message board has this at 72% incorrect call.

I am sure that we will be instructed via video on this call next year by Perry or Redding.

Hear, hear!
Jan 5, 2011 12:14pm
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Jan 5, 2011 12:28 PM
Cleveland Buck;626266 wrote:Even when he finally broke away from the first guy in the end zone it's not like he starting moving forward. He was immediately driven further back by 2 more guys. Therefore, his forward progress was stopped at the 2 yard line. Just because the inbred southern boy official didn't blow his whistle doesn't change that fact.

Amen. How this is even a thread discussion is beyond me. Worst call of any BCS game I have ever seen, and it almost cost OSU the game.
Jan 5, 2011 12:28pm
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0311sdp

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Jan 5, 2011 12:33 PM
The ball should have been placed at the 2 yard line, you can't push a ball carrier backwards for 5 yards, tackle him and get a safety, the play was over when he not by his own effort was shoved backwards (forward progress stopped) I knew when they huddled that they would call it a safety, bad call.
Jan 5, 2011 12:33pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Jan 5, 2011 12:38 PM
0311sdp;626738 wrote:I knew when they huddled that they would call it a safety, bad call.

They huddled and determined that both officials had taken Arkansas and the points. The call became obvious.
Jan 5, 2011 12:38pm
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Jan 5, 2011 12:42 PM
Sonofanump;626675 wrote:IMKO, I believe that the incorrect call was made. Two reasons:
1) Who put the runner in the endzone? The defenders, the progress was the 2-yard line.
2) The reverse angle replay showed the Line Judge clearly comes onto the field at the 2-yard line with his hand raised (which is the same as a whistle for those of you fans who don’t understand the rules of the game) to start the play clock. He felt forward progress had been established and signalled it. He should have stepped up and saved the crew.

IMKO, It’s either dead at the 2 yard line or an inadvertent signal

FYI. A national poll among NCAA football officials on a message board has this at 72% incorrect call.

I am sure that we will be instructed via video on this call next year by Perry or Redding.

Great point. All the clowns on here saying he "broke the tackle" are acting like he ran into the end zone himself to get away from a defender.
Jan 5, 2011 12:42pm
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Jan 5, 2011 12:43 PM
queencitybuckeye;626742 wrote:They huddled and determined that both officials had taken Arkansas and the points. The call became obvious.

Haha- actually, they huddled and remembered they all had southern accents. Therefore, safety.
Jan 5, 2011 12:43pm
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Jan 5, 2011 1:06 PM
I think it's funny that people are saying the officials were terrible because of XYZ. I don't think people realize that the Big 10 has some strict, old school, officiating. Look at the KSU-SU game. Only a Big 10 official would call that a penalty(maybe a PAC 10). A lot of other conferences let things go and are looser in their officiating than what we are used to. It's not that they are bad, they are just different. I wonder if it's possible to have a mixed crew between the 2 conferences playing.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5990119 Link to video. I couldn't figure out how to post it.
I've seen 1,000 plays when a player does what Herron does and gets marked at the 2nd spot (like what happened)
Jan 5, 2011 1:06pm
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Jan 5, 2011 1:09 PM
I thought on the kickoff when Jordan Hall was tackled at the 17 but pushed back to the 1 I thought they were going to spot the ball at the 1. It would have only made sense since the safety was a joke. But how did Boom shake Leon on that?? That was beastly.
Jan 5, 2011 1:09pm
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bigkahuna

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Jan 5, 2011 1:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WamGj2blI5w
very similar play

He doesn't actually get wrapped up, but he does get forced back by the defender actually doing it.
Jan 5, 2011 1:14pm
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vball10set

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Jan 5, 2011 1:16 PM
[video]http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5990119[/video]
Jan 5, 2011 1:16pm
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Jan 5, 2011 1:24 PM
bigkahuna;626794 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WamGj2blI5w
very similar play

He doesn't actually get wrapped up, but he does get forced back by the defender actually doing it.

really? very similar? where in that video does the RB get wrapped up and driven 5 yards backwards?
Jan 5, 2011 1:24pm
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sportchampps

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Jan 5, 2011 1:27 PM
Kahuna i dont think those plays are close at all mcknight sidestepped a defender he didnt get pushed back 3-5 yards
Jan 5, 2011 1:27pm
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Jan 5, 2011 1:34 PM
Wooball;626799 wrote:really? very similar? where in that video does the RB get wrapped up and driven 5 yards backwards?


Forward progress was stopped. That seems to be the only criteria.
Jan 5, 2011 1:34pm
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sportchampps

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Jan 5, 2011 1:34 PM
here is an example of how many times forward progress is called

Forward progress was called and that why the runner wasnt considered outta balance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpCWRkGniWg

Another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNWVKk7J5z0

Another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So8y7y2oQ9o

I watch alot of football and thats the only play like that i can remember where they didnt call forward progress
Jan 5, 2011 1:34pm
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Jan 5, 2011 2:54 PM
karen lotz;626811 wrote:Forward progress was stopped. That seems to be the only criteria.

In that play, McKnight's original progress was stopped at the 0:10 mark, but he starts moving forward again at the 0:12 mark, which means his forward progress on the play wasn't stopped at the 0:10 mark.
Jan 5, 2011 2:54pm
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Jan 5, 2011 2:56 PM
Cleveland Buck;626963 wrote:In that play, McKnight's original progress was stopped at the 0:10 mark, but he starts moving forward again at the 0:12 mark, which means his forward progress on the play wasn't stopped at the 0:10 mark.


Yeah he started moving forward after losing a couple of yards. Did he get back to where his initial forward progress stopped and where was he finally ruled down?
Jan 5, 2011 2:56pm
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Sonofanump

Jan 5, 2011 3:03 PM
Sonofanump;626675 wrote:FYI. A national poll among NCAA football officials on a message board has this at 72% incorrect call.

It's been updated since I left this morning. It is now at 81% believe the safety to incorrect.
Jan 5, 2011 3:03pm
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Jan 5, 2011 3:05 PM
karen lotz;626971 wrote:Yeah he started moving forward after losing a couple of yards. Did he get back to where his initial forward progress stopped and where was he finally ruled down?

It doesn't matter. If you start moving forward again, logically it means that your forward progress wasn't originally stopped, just delayed, even if you don't gain back the yardage you lost.
Jan 5, 2011 3:05pm
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Jan 5, 2011 3:09 PM
Sonofanump;626976 wrote:It's been updated since I left this morning. It is now at 81% believe the safety to incorrect.

Of course it was the wrong call, but that's more justification than is required even for the the most ardent of haters. Haters is over used of course, but there is no other way to describe someone who believes this to be anything other than the WRONG call...stupid.

Thanks for the info.
Jan 5, 2011 3:09pm