What’s with the new outrage about flock cameras. I know red light cameras were a scam but how are these. From what I can tell they can help locate missing people/wanted people and help police identify cars in the area a crime took place.
I don’t plan on committing any kind of crime that would involve a flock camera and would want anyone who did to be captured why are people against them.
sportchampps wrote:What’s with the new outrage about flock cameras. I know red light cameras were a scam but how are these. From what I can tell they can help locate missing people/wanted people and help police identify cars in the area a crime took place.
I don’t plan on committing any kind of crime that would involve a flock camera and would want anyone who did to be captured why are people against them.
I've never committed a crime other than a speeding violation and I still believe these are too far in the surveillance department.
These aren't cameras they have to get a warrant for, they are always accessible and use AI to track things down to specific dents/scratches on cars to identify them.
Sorry, but hard pass here.
I think that also there isn’t much transparency on when, where, and how the data is being used and who has access to it. I have seen people having lots of pushback when trying to make FOIA requests on their own data.
To add to what has already been said:
We pay police departments/investigators... get a warrant and make them get on with it.
geeblock wrote:I think that also there isn’t much transparency on when, where, and how the data is being used and who has access to it. I have seen people having lots of pushback when trying to make FOIA requests on their own data.
geeblock and I agree.
Just wanted to throw that out there.
Saw this on my fb timeline
What website is that?
Pertinent
Slippery Slope is a fallacy. I also think there is good that can come from it. In Texas we constantly got Amber Alerts in Tennessee we constantly get Silver alerts. In both of these alerts Flock cameras can help and may save someone’s life.
We also saw the couple that was murdered in Columbus and the camera picked up the ex husband in the area at the time of the murder and helped solve the case.
sportchampps wrote:Slippery Slope is a fallacy.
I don't think so. The Patriot Act was supposed to be temporary, as an example.
If you can show me something that proves it's a fallacy, I will consider changing my mind.
Slippery Slope arguments are literally always a fallacy and the arguments are made to simply scare people. Groups like the ACLU then use these arguments to create outrage and raise donations.
The actual facts about Flock Cameras are they are used to help find Amber Alert and Silver alerts, recover stolen vehicles, and solve crimes. There are no facts that show anything bad flock cameras have done the bad is all based on things that haven’t happened.
Not all slippery slope arguments are a fallacy. There are absolutely, 100%, real arguments to be made that A leads to B leads to C.
Personally, I tend to side with the option that is NOT "let's allow the people in charge to put cameras wherever they want because we need watched by our overlords". But that's just me.
justincredible wrote:Not all slippery slope arguments are a fallacy. There are absolutely, 100%, real arguments to be made that A leads to B leads to C.
It’s a fallacy when you dont know for certain what will happen.
justincredible wrote:https://fee.org/articles/is-the-slippery-slope-fallacy-really-a-fallacy/
This article kinda proves why slippery slope is a bad argument because they say it’s not a fallacy if it increases the odds of something happening.
In that case you can say if someone smokes marijuana then they will become an everyday drug user. While it increases your odds it doesn’t make it certain to happen.
sportchampps wrote:
It’s a fallacy when you dont know for certain what will happen.
Uncertainty and fallacies are not the same thing.
justincredible wrote:
Uncertainty and fallacies are not the same thing.
I guess the mistake is saying all are fallacies instead of most because people can’t provide proof.
sportchampps wrote:
This article kinda proves why slippery slope is a bad argument because they say it’s not a fallacy if it increases the odds of something happening.
In that case you can say if someone smokes marijuana then they will become an everyday drug user. While it increases your odds it doesn’t make it certain to happen.
Yes, "if someone smokes marijuana then they will become an everyday drug user" is a bad argument because the conclusion is absolute. But the problem is the conclusion, not the form.
justincredible wrote:
Yes, "if someone smokes marijuana then they will become an everyday drug user" is a bad argument because the conclusion is absolute. But the problem is the conclusion, not the form.
I feel like the majority of slippery slope arguments have an absolute conclusion and that’s the problem with them and they are used to play to fears.
I submit this interesting article. Kind of tied in with this discussion.
https://reason.com/2026/07/28/minority-report-fbi-seeks-ai-for-political-watch-list/
Given what I’ve seen since body cameras came out and how they rarely match what is written in the police report. Also add on to that the police investigate themselves and 99 percent of the time find they did nothing wrong. I don’t think it’s far fetched to think they wouldn’t use the flick camera data “off the record” or basically do whatever they want with it. I have very little trust in police or govt for that matter.
geeblock wrote:https://twitter.com/orwellday/status/2082436475980022196?s=46&t=xrxfs6mLIefacKYITrkV2A
Also this
So there’s around 100k flock cameras in the US of course one is going to be pointing somewhere someone doesn’t liek
sportchampps wrote:
So there’s around 100k flock cameras in the US of course one is going to be pointing somewhere someone doesn’t liek
Don’t like it yes. Probably random
I get it that a lot of people are so used to giving up/losing civil liberties that they believe one more little increment of infringement isn't going to be noticeable.
What I don't get is the absolute dedication to support it.
Maybe it's just me, I don't know.
