If I am a passenger in a car and I have my seatbelt on and we get pulled over I’m not giving my ID. I will 100 percent go to jail. I will get out of the car if asked that’s officer safety and I will gladly turn my back and avoid a resisting charge but I won’t give my ID if I haven’t committed a crime. Period. I think everyone should feel this way. It’s literally what this country was founded on 

CenterBHSFan wrote:

I get it that a lot of people are so used to giving up/losing civil liberties that they believe one more little increment of infringement isn't going to be noticeable. 

What I don't get is the absolute dedication to support it. 

Maybe it's just me, I don't know.

Because I think it has a useful purpose. We saw they helped solve a murder in Columbus as well as find kidnapped children and missing elderly people. I haven’t seen a case of them being used negatively.

sportchampps wrote:

Because I think it has a useful purpose. We saw they helped solve a murder in Columbus as well as find kidnapped children and missing elderly people. I haven’t seen a case of them being used negatively.

So, before I say anything else, let us make sure I'm understanding you correctly.

Your contention is that you are willing to give up some of your civil liberties for the promise of safety. Do I have that right?

What civil liberties am I giving up. I don’t have a right to privacy in public anyone can film me as it is. Are you worried about ring doorbells because the police can get that footage to.

sportchampps wrote:

What civil liberties am I giving up. I don’t have a right to privacy in public anyone can film me as it is. Are you worried about ring doorbells because the police can get that footage to.

I'm sure none of the naysayers would accept the return of their stolen vehicle if it was recovered using Flock.

People give away all kinds of personal information online, but they draw the line at traffic cams.  And it seems ICE using these is what's really got people triggered.   LOL, reminds me of the time a woman complained about Oura potentially selling her data "I don't want the govt knowing I'm trying to get pregnant!!!".  Ummm, they already knew that the moment you browsed cribs on Amazon.  Every once in a while you get a smartass that responds "I only shop at Target, in store".  Great - do you pay with a credit card?  Hahahah

Yeah, I'm mad outraged.

*proceeds to consume AI/Bot slop on X for hours on end"

Automatik wrote:

*proceeds to consume AI/Bot slop on X for hours on end"

Oh man, the AI slop.  I'm still amazed at how dumb people on the internet can be, but now I realize a lot of them are also horribly unfunny.

sportchampps wrote:

What civil liberties am I giving up. I don’t have a right to privacy in public anyone can film me as it is. Are you worried about ring doorbells because the police can get that footage to.

I've already posted my answer to this in the fourth post in this thread. Yes, I went and counted lol

gut wrote:

I'm sure none of the naysayers would accept the return of their stolen vehicle if it was recovered using Flock.

People give away all kinds of personal information online, but they draw the line at traffic cams.  And it seems ICE using these is what's really got people triggered.   

I think ICE could be done away with. Completely. But I also think that while they are still in action, might as well make them earn their pay and get illegal immigrants up out of here.

Do you think that makes me more to the left or more to the right?

sportchampps wrote:

What civil liberties am I giving up. I don’t have a right to privacy in public anyone can film me as it is. Are you worried about ring doorbells because the police can get that footage to.

https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/2084269241214075029?s=46&t=xrxfs6mLIefacKYITrkV2A

CenterBHSFan wrote:

I think ICE could be done away with. Completely. 

Do you think that makes me more to the left or more to the right?

I think you're far to the left of common sense

gut wrote:

I think you're far to the left of common sense

In what way? 

There are several agencies that also manage/deport illegal immigrants. I wouldn't be mad if we combined and condensed agencies to do the same thing. But as long as we have ICE might as well put them to work and earn the taxes they're paid with. Seems pretty basic to me.

Edit to add:

I don't think we need 10 handfuls if illegal immigrant deporters anymore than we need 10 handfuls of intelligence agencies. That's just having more government for the sake of having more government.

https://twitter.com/10tv/status/2084708204982780221?s=46&t=xrxfs6mLIefacKYITrkV2A