Jets at Browns TNF game thread

posted by vball10set

lol

You're welcome for the reverse jinx.

Also, let's be real, if Tyrod doesn't get hurt, Hue isn't benching him.  I forgot to add the "unless Tyrod gets hurt" clause. 

posted by BR1986FB

I wonder if he was concussed prior to the one that sent him out of the game. He didn't just look bad, he looked Ryan Leaf bad. I will admit this, a few minutes before halftime I said "I'm going to bed because they are getting shut out with this crap sack QBing them." When Baker came in it became "nope, staying up for the second half...must see TV....gonna finally get a W."

Pretty much my thought process as well, except I did not expect a win.  I just wanted to see how he played. 

posted by like_that

You're welcome for the reverse jinx.

Also, let's be real, if Tyrod doesn't get hurt, Hue isn't benching him.  I forgot to add the "unless Tyrod gets hurt" clause. 

 

The conspiracy theorist in me says TT's "injury" was part of the plan to get Mayfield in there without embarrassing him (Taylor) too much-lol...bottom line is, who cares HOW he got in the game--he WAS!!!

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1042980912818991104

posted by like_that

You're welcome for the reverse jinx.

Also, let's be real, if Tyrod doesn't get hurt, Hue isn't benching him.  I forgot to add the "unless Tyrod gets hurt" clause. 

posted by BR1986FB

I wonder if he was concussed prior to the one that sent him out of the game. He didn't just look bad, he looked Ryan Leaf bad. I will admit this, a few minutes before halftime I said "I'm going to bed because they are getting shut out with this crap sack QBing them." When Baker came in it became "nope, staying up for the second half...must see TV....gonna finally get a W."

 

Pretty much my thought process as well, except I did not expect a win.  I just wanted to see how he played. 

 

 

 

I could just feel it that he was going to do something special. I'm sure he'll have his ups & downs but I think there's going to be a lot more positive than negative.

As far as the earlier "we don't know what Baker would've done in those first two games" comment (you didn't make the comment so this isn't directed at you)....the Jets are the best defense the Browns have faced yet. The two previous defenses game up 40+ points to Ryan Fitzpatrick and a QB (albeit, looking very good QB) in his third NFL start. Even if he somewhat pisses down his leg I bet he can generate more that 21 & 18 points in those games.

We haven't seen all of the film to know how many WR/TE's were running free in those first two games where Tyrod didn't recognize it or was afraid to cut it loose. This offense has a completely different confidence/sense of urgency/dynamic with a decisive QB back there who can make and. more importantly, isn't afraid to make all of the throws. The pass protection seems better, the run blocking seems better, the RB's seem to run harder....it's like the offense thinks "we support TT but he sucks and we know his limitations."

This debut reminds me of when I was a younger dude and a #19 electrified the city when he got his chance.

posted by vball10set

The conspiracy theorist in me says TT's "injury" was part of the plan to get Mayfield in there without embarrassing him (Taylor) too much-lol...bottom line is, who cares HOW he got in the game--he WAS!!!

I know it's bad to hope for injuries, but deep down I bet he was somewhat relieved the decision was made for him.  No doubt he is too much of a puss to make that call (replacing Tyrod with Baker) on his own.  Everyone says he is a player coach, but he takes it too far imo, where he is hesitant to make these type of decisions in fear of hurting feelz.  Pete Carroll, for exampe is a players coach, but he isn't afraid to  make those type of decisions.  He easily told Flynn to fuck off and started Russell Wilson.

“What a night. You can’t deny the talent. You can’t deny what he is able to do. He showed that tonight. It was his coming out party,” said coach Hue Jackson.

“That boy’s a baller, man. There’s nothing to say but he’s a winner,” said receiver Rashard Higgins.

“He’s confident. He’s always fired up,” said receiver Antonio Callaway.

“He’s special. He’s really special,” said receiver Jarvis Landry.

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland/post/_/id/5526/baker-mayfields-electrifying-nfl-debut-looks-like-the-start-of-something-real-good

“Cleveland deserves a win, but we are not done yet,” Mayfield said. “Don’t break the Dilly Dilly coolers too hard. Just enjoy it. We deserve it, but at the same time, we’re just getting started.”

These comments show me there's a confidence in at least one of these guys among his teammates.

^^^ no Tyrod

I doubt it happens but with his 2 sacks last night, Myles Garrett is on pace for 21 sacks.

posted by like_that

Also the play calling magically looked better, hmm...

Also, Hue is a fucking idiot if he has to think twice about it.   My guess he is too much of a pussy to tell Tyrod he isn't starting.  I don't think Baker is going to make us do cartwheels every game, and the Browns are def not a playoff team. At this point you might as well let him get game experience for something to build on for next year.  You sure as hell are not building on Tyrod.

I never understood why you guys believe this other than "because Browns." The division is one of the worst in football, although gun to my head I'd guess eventually (unfortunately) Baltimore/Pittsburgh figure it out and Cincinnati staggers. Cleveland finally looks like decent this year. Wasn't it the QB/K that held you back from being 3-0, and those have been potentially fixed? 

If Cleveland were in the NFC I'd agree, but the AFC, especially the north, is so wide open. IMO just about anyone has a chance. 

posted by BR1986FB

^^^ no Tyrod

I doubt it happens but with his 2 sacks last night, Myles Garrett is on pace for 21 sacks.

I am glad to see you are finally coming around on Myles.

posted by friendfromlowry

I never understood why you guys believe this other than "because Browns." The division is one of the worst in football, although gun to my head I'd guess eventually (unfortunately) Baltimore/Pittsburgh figure it out and Cincinnati staggers. Cleveland finally looks like decent this year. Wasn't it the QB/K that held you back from being 3-0, and those have been potentially fixed? 

If Cleveland were in the NFC I'd agree, but the AFC, especially the north, is so wide open. IMO just about anyone has a chance. 

I can give you another reason.... Hue Jackson.

posted by friendfromlowry

I never understood why you guys believe this other than "because Browns." The division is one of the worst in football, although gun to my head I'd guess eventually (unfortunately) Baltimore/Pittsburgh figure it out and Cincinnati staggers. Cleveland finally looks like decent this year. Wasn't it the QB/K that held you back from being 3-0, and those have been potentially fixed? 

If Cleveland were in the NFC I'd agree, but the AFC, especially the north, is so wide open. IMO just about anyone has a chance. 

I can't completely disagree with this. They have a punchers chance against any team in this division. Pittsburgh will likely figure it out but the next time they face, It will likely be Mayfield and I don't see the Steelers secondary getting better. I also don't see TJ Watt going off for 4 sacks. Baltimore is Baltimore...."meh" offensively and their defense is getting old. Cincy is the team to watch. They could very well regress to the mean but that front 7 on their defense is legit.

Looking at what's left on their schedule, assuming Baker's still the QB, I can see 7-8 more wins if the defense continues it's trend.

posted by like_that

I know it's bad to hope for injuries, but deep down I bet he was somewhat relieved the decision was made for him.  No doubt he is too much of a puss to make that call (replacing Tyrod with Baker) on his own.  Everyone says he is a player coach, but he takes it too far imo, where he is hesitant to make these type of decisions in fear of hurting feelz.  

I totally agree.

I refuse to predict any wins after last year. 

Season of Dreams gentleman, season of dreams.

I'm still smiling. 

TT was 1 for 11 on passes past the LOS last night, he's a fucking bum. Baker isn't. Baker for starting from here on out.

posted by Commander of Awesome

TT was 1 for 11 on passes past the LOS last night, he's a fucking bum. Baker isn't. Baker for starting from here on out.

If Hue wants any chance of keeping his job, Baker's the guy. Starting TT at this point is a suicide mission.

TT isn’t the starter anymore. That’s just Hue being Hue with the “we have to watch the tape” bs. 

posted by SportsAndLady

TT isn’t the starter anymore. That’s just Hue being Hue with the “we have to watch the tape” bs. 

I think it’s more of a respect thing to tyrod. He’s a well liked guy and respected, you don’t go in the press conference after the game saying baker is the starter. I think hue handled that properly and he can tell tyrod and baker in private Monday. We all know Baker is going to be the starter

posted by Crimson streak

I think it’s more of a respect thing to tyrod. He’s a well liked guy and respected, you don’t go in the press conference after the game saying baker is the starter. I think hue handled that properly and he can tell tyrod and baker in private Monday. We all know Baker is going to be the starter

This is pretty much it, or should be.