Cleveland Cavalier 2017-2018 Season

Dang.  Not even close. 

Best player, best team and because the west is a more difficult conference. It's a joke they don't even consider defense, because if they did this would be even more of a no brainer.

Realistically, LBJ could've won 8-10 MVP's, if not more. He makes the extraordinary look ordinary and the voters have this "ho hum" attitude toward him because they see it on a yearly basis from him. It's expected. They want something "fresh" or new." Doesn't make it right but it is what it is. I mentioned before that LBJ can almost get raped on a drive to the basket and no foul is called because he's a physical freak. Someone blows on Harden and he's shooting two. There are different rules for LBJ when he plays and in the MVP voting.

I've mentioned before that it's criminal that a one trick pony like Steph Curry has won a unanimous MVP and Harden may get it this year too (unanimously) while guys like LBJ & Jordan. who are the two GOAT's never won it unanimously.

posted by BR1986FB

Realistically, LBJ could've won 8-10 MVP's, if not more. He makes the extraordinary look ordinary and the voters have this "ho hum" attitude toward him because they see it on a yearly basis from him. It's expected. They want something "fresh" or new." Doesn't make it right but it is what it is. I mentioned before that LBJ can almost get raped on a drive to the basket and no foul is called because he's a physical freak. Someone blows on Harden and he's shooting two. There are different rules for LBJ when he plays and in the MVP voting.

I've mentioned before that it's criminal that a one trick pony like Steph Curry has won a unanimous MVP and Harden may get it this year too (unanimously) while guys like LBJ & Jordan. who are the two GOAT's never won it unanimously.

I get the "ho hum"  shit, because the same shit was done to MJ. MJ probably should have had 1-2 more MVPs.  It is still a disgrace Lebron only has 4 MVPs.  It's also a disgrace that Nash and Curry have half the MVPs as Lebron.  Part of it is ho hum, and part of it imo are writers trying to protect MJ's legacy.  No way could Lebron have the same amount or more MVPs than MJ!!!

posted by Automatik

Best player, best team and because the west is a more difficult conference. It's a joke they don't even consider defense, because if they did this would be even more of a no brainer.

Like I said, Westbrook proved this is a bullshit argument last year and we all know (including the people who vote on this shit) that regular season wins don't mean shit in terms of who is the best team in the NBA.  I bet the majority of the people using this argument wouldn't put their money on Houston over GSW. 

I just said that because that will be the go-to reasoning for this year. It's also funny that Westbrook averages a triple double again this season and you don't hear much about it compared to last year.

posted by like_that

Like I said, Westbrook proved this is a bullshit argument last year and we all know (including the people who vote on this shit) that regular season wins don't mean shit in terms of who is the best team in the NBA.  I bet the majority of the people using this argument wouldn't put their money on Houston over GSW. 

I know this is beating a dead horse but when I think Most Valuable Player, that means which player has the most "value" to their team. Not the best scorer or the best rebounder.

The better question to ask would be "what would the Cavs be without LBJ?" versus "what would the Rockets/Warriors/Thunder be without Harden/Curry/Westbrook" The latter teams would be worse but the Cavs have already proven, on numerous occasions, that they can't walk upright and chew gum at the same time without LBJ bailing their sorry asses out.

posted by Automatik

I just said that because that will be the go-to reasoning for this year. It's also funny that Westbrook averages a triple double again this season and you don't hear much about it compared to last year.

Yeah I know.  I was just saying why it's a bullshit argument.  That will definitely be the narrative when he wins MVP.  

As for Westbrook, I believe it is because OKC needed to win game 81 to even make the playoffs.  This is with a better roster than last year. 

posted by like_that

Speaking of Cowherd (he was mentioned in the Browns thread), he posted this earlier today.  Can someone tell me why is Harden a lock for MVP over LBJ?  He beats lebron at PPG and not by much.  That is it.  If you use the wins argument, that is bullshit because 1. we all know the true value of regular season wins in the NBA for the past 10 years and 2. westbrook proved that did not matter.    Same shit applies if you use the "best player on the best team" argument.  

I am trying not to be a homer.  I get LBJ's crticism and his  annoys the fuck out of me a lot, but if you just put stats side by side while hiding the names everyone would pick LBJ.  At the end of the day I don't truly GAF if Lebron wins MVP.  I only care about one stat, which is getting 16 wins in the playoffs.  If anything it will probably piss Lebron off and motivate him.   I just have a hard time seeing the argument for Harden

 

Harden leads in the being a bitch category though, esp on defense.

Maybe the Cavs don't want the 3rd seed?  Love, Hood, and Korver all out. 

posted by Commander of Awesome

Harden leads in the being a bitch category though, esp on defense.

Link?

Dave McMenamin✔@mcten

Tyronn Lue said the Cavs will try to win tonight with No. 3 still up for grabs if MIL beats PHI, but he still plans to pull LeBron James after he scores 10 pts to keep his streak intact. Said CLE has consistently put health over seeding the last several years.

6:28 PM - Apr 11, 2018

posted by ernest_t_bass

Link?

No link needed. Universally known.

posted by like_that

Dave McMenamin✔@mcten

 

Tyronn Lue said the Cavs will try to win tonight with No. 3 still up for grabs if MIL beats PHI, but he still plans to pull LeBron James after he scores 10 pts to keep his streak intact. Said CLE has consistently put health over seeding the last several years.

6:28 PM - Apr 11, 2018

Kind of wondered if this was what he'd do. Get LBJ in for the 82nd game, get a quick 10 points and call it a night.

posted by BR1986FB

No link needed. Universally known.

Bron has a defensive rating of 111.1.

Harden’s is 104.7. 

🤷🏻‍♂️

Neither are good defenders. 

posted by wildcats20

Bron has a defensive rating of 111.1.

Harden’s is 104.7. 

🤷🏻‍♂️

Neither are good defenders. 

You have been an NBA fan for awhile, and you legitimately think Lebron is a bad defender? Especially in comparison to Harden?

posted by like_that

You have been an NBA fan for awhile, and you legitimately think Lebron is a bad defender? Especially in comparison to Harden?

He’s not a good defender is what I said. Neither one of them are. The stats prove that Bron is in fact worse. That’s all I’m saying. 

He’s in his 15 year. It shouldn’t be expected that he be in the top 15(insert whatever # you want) defenders. The Cavs are 7 points better when he’s on the bench. 

I don’t think defensive rating is the end all be all, but it also can’t be ignored. 

LeBron s defense this year has been awful, and he only guards the worst player on the other team. Now, in the playoffs, he will turn it on...but regular season he is no longer close to being even good.

Cavs and Pacers game one Sunday at 3:30. Game two on Wednesday.

posted by wildcats20

Bron has a defensive rating of 111.1.

Harden’s is 104.7. 

🤷🏻‍♂️

Neither are good defenders. 

I was referring to the "being a bitch" part.