Browns Preseason 2019

Was Kitchens being looked at by any other team?

Heard a ridiculous stat on my drive home, hopefully it hasn't already been posted. During Kitchens tenure as the OC, the offense averaged 6.8+. yards per play. Had he done that over a full season, that would've been the second highest yards per play since 1970. Can't wait to see what he can do with a full offseason to implement his offense.

I’ll trust Dorsey cuz god knows he knows more football than I ever will, but I’d never pull the trigger on a head coach who was at most a coordinator for 8 games.  Especially when that guy looks like Larry the Cable guy. 

posted by kizer permanente

I’ll trust Dorsey cuz god knows he knows more football than I ever will, but I’d never pull the trigger on a head coach who was at most a coordinator for 8 games.  Especially when that guy looks like Larry the Cable guy. 

Lol...I thought he looked like he jumped out of the dawg pound. I trust Dorsey but my worry (I’m not worried lol) is that BM and the new main man had a great thing going, but like all sports teams adjust...I would’ve like to have seen him adjust back before becoming the head coach, but time didn’t permit.

posted by kizer permanente

I’ll trust Dorsey cuz god knows he knows more football than I ever will, but I’d never pull the trigger on a head coach who was at most a coordinator for 8 games.  Especially when that guy looks like Larry the Cable guy. 

Haven’t all great head coaches been a coordinator for 8 games?

posted by SportsAndLady

Haven’t all great head coaches been a coordinator for 8 games?

Not at most. 

posted by kizer permanente

Not at most. 

What?

every great coach has, at one point, been a coach (either coordinator or HC) for 8 games. If Dorsey thinks he’s going to be a great coach, might as well hire him so he’s won’t leave. 

posted by Ironman92

Was Kitchens being looked at by any other team?

Browns didn't let him interview with other teams.

posted by Al Bundy

Browns didn't let him interview with other teams.

Except Massillon. 

posted by Al Bundy

Browns didn't let him interview with other teams.

I don’t think they could stop him from getting a HC interview.

Several teams have hired ST Coord before for HC jobs. Harbaugh in Balt is a is recent example.

posted by Ironman92

Lol...I thought he looked like he jumped out of the dawg pound. I trust Dorsey but my worry (I’m not worried lol) is that BM and the new main man had a great thing going, but like all sports teams adjust...I would’ve like to have seen him adjust back before becoming the head coach, but time didn’t permit.

 

I've heard some positives on this hire but a ton of people are panning it. Hearing "with the Browns having the most coveted job in the league, two offensive coordinators with minimal experience was the best you could do for finalists?"

I think there's a couple of reasons for this:

1) I've heard that they really wanted to hire McCarthy but he insisted on bringing his own staff and the Browns wanted to retain Kitchens. Heard this about some other coaches too. Kitchens was staying. The fact that Stefanski left Cleveland right after that 2nd interview told me they either brought him back to interview for the OC role or told him Kitchens would be part of his staff. Coaches don't like that crap. McDaniels supposedly bowed out of the GB job because he was going to have Mike Pettine forced on him as the DC.

2) The Baker Mayfield effect. Mayfield hasn't had a history of getting along with some coaches and there's a comfort level with Kitchens. Kitchens did a bang up job as the OC but I wonder how much it matters who the OC is. Mayfield supposedly has this Peyton Manning-like QB savant air to him and will likely be his own OC by the end of the 2019 season. The fact that they let him face time on these interviews tells me that everything this team does, going forward, will have BM in mind.

posted by Al Bundy

Browns didn't let him interview with other teams.

posted by BRF

Except Massillon. 

lol
 

posted by SportsAndLady

What?

every great coach has, at one point, been a coach (either coordinator or HC) for 8 games. If Dorsey thinks he’s going to be a great coach, might as well hire him so he’s won’t leave. 

Meaning usually have more than just 8 games experience as a coordinator. Most head coaches weren't a position coach earlier in the year, then promoted to coordinator for the remaining 8 games, then given the head coaching job.

posted by kizer permanente

Meaning usually have more than just 8 games experience as a coordinator. Most head coaches weren't a position coach earlier in the year, then promoted to coordinator for the remaining 8 games, then given the head coaching job.

I’m saying even Bilichek, Parcells, McVay, Payton, whoever, we’re all 8 games into their career. Just because we’re hiring kitchens before he’s had several good years as a HC doesn’t mean it’s a bad hire. They hired him so he wouldn’t go somewhere else. I love it. 

posted by kizer permanente

Meaning usually have more than just 8 games experience as a coordinator. Most head coaches weren't a position coach earlier in the year, then promoted to coordinator for the remaining 8 games, then given the head coaching job.

Who are the big names you were looking for?

TBH, this wasn't a great year for the Browns to need a HC. Candidate pool wasn't that great. I'm glad they went with FK.

Speaking of coaches...

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Browns-interested-in-Chuck-Pagano-for-defensive-coordinator--127629505/?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=190110_110333_Cleveland%20Browns&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=23-82-89-46-EB-EA-D9-D5-6F-7B-1B-2C-2B-3A-51-D9190110_110333ClevelandBrowns

DC hire is going to be very important. I imagine it’ll be a Nagy-Fangio type situation where kitchens will be meeting with the offense while the defense is on the field and the DC will be running the show for the defense. 

I'm glad they didn't get Gase. Seems terrible for the Jets. We are interviewing Montok OC from Bucs too. Pagano is going to get a lot of looks

posted by iclfan2

I'm glad they didn't get Gase. Seems terrible for the Jets. We are interviewing Montok OC from Bucs too. Pagano is going to get a lot of looks

Heard this morning that Darnold also Face Timed during the process and he endorsed Gase.