The Russia/Ukraine situation

These Russian soldiers are a bunch of bitch ass cowards. Heard two stories, one of a Ukrainian women being shot dead trying to take food to an animal shelter where the animals hadn't eaten in three days and the second a mayor of a Ukrainian town shot dead trying to distribute aid. Both unarmed in the streets.

So it looks like Poland is going to fly its Mig-29's to a US base in Germany.  Where they are likely to be stripped of their decals and eventually end up somewhere in Ukraine.

Poland gets plausible deniability and a great deal on some used F16's.

posted by majorspark

Poland gets plausible deniabilty

That's laughable in this instance.  I assume the shenanigans must have something to do with specific, technical treaty language.  Otherwise, I don't know why you bother when it's blatantly obvious what is going on.

And the US involvement as a intermediary/middleman actually taking temporary possession of the Migs seems like going right up to the line of aggression...

It's funny Poland even urged other NATO nations with Migs to do the same.  It's pretty much on the lines of how Putin attacked Ukraine in 2014.

posted by majorspark

So it looks like Poland is going to fly its Mig-29's to a US base in Germany.  Where they are likely to be stripped of their decals and eventually end up somewhere in Ukraine.

Poland gets plausible deniability and a great deal on some used F16's.

Great move. I like it and hope other allies can do the same. 

posted by gut

That's laughable in this instance.  I assume the shenanigans must have something to do with specific, technical treaty language.  Otherwise, I don't know why you bother when it's blatantly obvious what is going on.

And the US involvement as a intermediary/middleman actually taking temporary possession of the Migs seems like going right up to the line of aggression...

Not really. We have been arming Ukraine directly, and this is an indirect arming. 

Also, it is not actual NATO arms or soldiers. 

This is classic Cold War tactics. 

Again, I'm sure we have CIA case officers with arms and cash over there like in Afghanistan.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not really. We have been arming Ukraine directly, and this is an indirect arming. 

Also, it is not actual NATO arms or soldiers. 

This is classic Cold War tactics. 

Again, I'm sure we have CIA case officers with arms and cash over there like in Afghanistan.

You appear to have a hard on for the Cold War.  Nothing like this occurred in Europe during the Cold War.  We are in a different time.

posted by majorspark

You appear to have a hard on for the Cold War.  Nothing like this occurred in Europe during the Cold War.  We are in a different time.

I see what you did there....good point. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not really. We have been arming Ukraine directly, and this is an indirect arming. 

Also, it is not actual NATO arms or soldiers. 

This is classic Cold War tactics. 

Again, I'm sure we have CIA case officers with arms and cash over there like in Afghanistan.

Well, turns out the deal WAS a problem for NATO, afterall.  Fighter jets aren't exactly the same thing as guns and ammo (and, yes, I realize it's a good bit more than that).

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/03/poland-wanted-to-send-mig-29-fighters-to-ukraine-that-deal-is-now-dead/

posted by Ironman92

posted by BR1986FB
Notice how COVID's over? On to Ukraine !!!

Need an excuse for inflation. 

I read some Russian generals were "fired".

This war is turning out to be puzzling.  It’s like a war but then it’s not.

Russian play book have plays?  They seem to have no strategy.  

WTF is the western world and NATO doing?  Seems like everyone is just watching little kids get shot and killed and all the worlds powers are just chatting.

But yea I know,  they have nukes.

posted by majorspark

This 40 mile convoy from what I am reading sounds more like a traffic jam.

Well CNN reporting on this 40 mile long convoy today.  So I guess you are wrong

posted by Fletch

Well CNN reporting on this 40 mile long convoy today.  So I guess you are wrong

Well given the credibility you have given CNN in the past quite ironic you cite them as a source for proving anyone wrong. 

Also that report stated they dispersed to tree cover.  A sign of fearing attack.  A defensive move

The Russians do not own Ukrainian air space.  It is a sovereign nation.  Why are we not air dropping food ,medicine, and water into Mariupol.  Like we did in West Berlin.

Too busy cleaning up the Mig issue and Harris' embarrassing presser in Poland.