Protests, Riots, Police trashiness cont.

Hard to believe the mayor of Chicago just stated that "Trump troops" are not going to come and "terrorize the residents" of Chicago.

For Christ's sake, the residents of Chicago are being terrorized nightly by an absurd amount of violence and killing ...........hell yes they deserve federal troops to bring the peace and law and order.   The citizens pay for such protection, but the mayor is beyond derelict in her duty to provide the protection being paid for.  The mayor is effectively the terrorist.

posted by QuakerOats

Hard to believe the mayor of Chicago just stated that "Trump troops" are not going to come and "terrorize the residents" of Chicago.

For Christ's sake, the residents of Chicago are being terrorized nightly by an absurd amount of violence and killing ...........hell yes they deserve federal troops to bring the peace and law and order.   The citizens pay for such protection, but the mayor is beyond derelict in her duty to provide the protection being paid for.  The mayor is effectively the terrorist.

I’m being terrorized nightly? Huh, who knew

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, I mean look at these commies. Come on guys....

Look at those raised fists! They’re exactly the same as a raised fist logo!

Brb, trying to find other raised fists that look different than a...raised fist

posted by SportsAndLady

I’m being terrorized nightly? Huh, who knew

Probably not in Hipsterville or wherever you live.  But head down to the south side and I think you'd be scared poopless by the random violence that exists in the black community there.  Is there equal BLM outrage over that?  Not even close.

posted by QuakerOats

Hard to believe the mayor of Chicago just stated that "Trump troops" are not going to come and "terrorize the residents" of Chicago.

For Christ's sake, the residents of Chicago are being terrorized nightly by an absurd amount of violence and killing ...........hell yes they deserve federal troops to bring the peace and law and order.   The citizens pay for such protection, but the mayor is beyond derelict in her duty to provide the protection being paid for.  The mayor is effectively the terrorist.

Let me add in some history here. The use of federal forces/ troops has rarely been used in U.S. history. It is only used in the most extreme circumstances, think Reconstruction after the civil war. The use of federal forces has only been used recently after the 1968 riots and really after the riots in LA in 92. 

Federal forces were not really used to patrol cities. We have state and local police for that, and only in extreme cases like cities burning should we even entertain the deployment of those forces. The violence in Chicago and elsewhere does not rise to the level of those forces. Violence in Chicago and other major cities has been higher before, think the 80s and 90s and even then we did not even entertain the thought of sending in federal forces. 

If this is your thoughts, then the President of either party, can send in federal forces whenever they see something they think rises to not complying with law and order? 

I shouldn't be surprised you take this approach as anything Trump says you agree with, but this is fundamentally not an issue that people on the right would ever support. It is an expansion of federal power that contradicts the limited government philosophy. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Federal forces were not really used to patrol cities. We have state and local police for that, and only in extreme cases like cities burning should we even entertain the deployment of those forces. 

Is Portland not burning? Would they not burn down the Federal courthouse if the Federal Police weren't there? Also, to your point earlier, they tried to get that moron mayor to help and he said no. AND, they do have their badge number and who they work for on their uniform, just not there last name. It's not some secret police gestapo like you are pretending. Now if you meant Portland is acceptable and Chicago isn't, then I kind of get what you are saying. It's insane that those in leadership would rather lay down for these violent loser clowns than actually keep law and order.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, I mean look at these commies. Come on guys....

Their own leaders admit to being Marxist and their website lists Marxist demands that they want across the country.

You can say “come on guys” but they don’t deny nor hide it.

posted by iclfan2
Is Portland not burning? Would they not burn down the Federal courthouse if the Federal Police weren't there? Also, to your point earlier, they tried to get that moron mayor to help and he said no. AND, they do have their badge number and who they work for on their uniform, just not there last name. It's not some secret police gestapo like you are pretending. Now if you meant Portland is acceptable and Chicago isn't, then I kind of get what you are saying. It's insane that those in leadership would rather lay down for these violent loser clowns than actually keep law and order.

Yeah, I was more referring to Chicago. 

Portland is a whole different messy beast as I have no idea who to believe or trust. But, some of the footage of the federal forces attacking the Moms yesterday was not a good look. 

posted by jmog

Their own leaders admit to being Marxist and their website lists Marxist demands that they want across the country.

You can say “come on guys” but they don’t deny nor hide it.

Yeah, I agree there. But, just to assume because they raise a fist makes them commies is a stretch....

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, I was more referring to Chicago. 

Portland is a whole different messy beast as I have no idea who to believe or trust. But, some of the footage of the federal forces attacking the Moms yesterday was not a good look. 

Lol they’re not moms. Classic terrorist tactic to act like innocent women are in the way. Would make them even douchier if there moms were there. Andy NGO clearly leans right but he posts a lot of raw footage. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Probably not in Hipsterville or wherever you live.  But head down to the south side and I think you'd be scared poopless by the random violence that exists in the black community there.  Is there equal BLM outrage over that?  Not even close.

I live in Streeterville. Hipsterville, definitely not. I was also in the south side on Sunday, confirmed not shot. Is there anything factual youd like to provide to the conversation? Or are you just butthurt that my words hurts your feelz recently so you’re gonna try and counter everything I say, including when it’s just pointing out that QO is a dipshit moron? 

posted by SportsAndLady

I live in Streeterville. Hipsterville, definitely not. I was also in the south side on Sunday, confirmed not shot. Is there anything factual youd like to provide to the conversation? Or are you just butthurt that my words hurts your feelz recently so you’re gonna try and counter everything I say, including when it’s just pointing out that QO is a dipshit moron? 

You're not hurting my feelings.  Chicago and many other cities are experiencing a rise in violent crime.  There was a mass shooting at a funeral in Chicago yesterday - 14 people wounded.  The funeral was for another black-on-black crime victim.  I'm sure the white professionals in Streeterville were mostly spared.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

You're not hurting my feelings.  Chicago and many other cities are experiencing a rise in violent crime.  There was a mass shooting at a funeral in Chicago yesterday - 14 people wounded.  The funeral was for another black-on-black crime victim.  I'm sure the white professionals in Streeterville were mostly spared.

I’m not even sure the point you’re trying to make? 

posted by SportsAndLady

I’m not even sure the point you’re trying to make? 

Someone said Chicago is being terrorized nightly.  You said you live there and are not being terrorized.  Maybe "Chicago" as a whole isn't being terrorized.  But like a lot of urban centers right now, there is a sizeable increase in violent  - and often random - crime.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Someone said Chicago is being terrorized nightly.  You said you live there and are not being terrorized.  Maybe "Chicago" as a whole isn't being terrorized.  But like a lot of urban centers right now, there is a sizeable increase in violent  - and often random - crime.  

“Citizens in Chicago are being terrorized nightly”

I’m a citizen in Chicago. Not being terrorized nightly. 

Hope this helps

posted by SportsAndLady

“Citizens in Chicago are being terrorized nightly”

I’m a citizen in Chicago. Not being terrorized nightly. 

Hope this helps

"Citizens in Chicago" is different than "All citizens in Chicago".  

I'm not generally in agreement with QO, but he has a point that the leadership of Chicago and other similar cities have big problems with primarily black-on-black crime that is increasing.  They'd be better off to focus on that as opposed to worrying about "Trump's Troops."  

posted by SportsAndLady

“Citizens in Chicago are being terrorized nightly”

I’m a citizen in Chicago. Not being terrorized nightly. 

Hope this helps

Chicago is a big place.....I bet you arent looking for a friday evening trip to the South side

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, I agree there. But, just to assume because they raise a fist makes them commies is a stretch....

The origin of the raised fist as either a symbol or gesture is unclear. As early as 1914, a clenched fist was described by Mother Earth magazine as "symbolical of the social revolution."^[3] A raised right fist was used in a cartoon by the Industrial Workers of the World^[4] (IWW) in 1917.

The use of the fist by communists and antifascists is first evidenced in 1924, when it was adopted as the salute for the Communist Party of Germany's Roter Frontkämpferbund ("Alliance of Red Front-Fighters"). In reaction, the Nazi Party adopted the well-known Roman salute two years later.^[5] The gesture of the raised fist was apparently known in the United States as well, and is seen in a photograph from a May Day march in New York City in 1936.^[6] It is perhaps best known in this era from its use during the Spanish Civil War of 1936–1939, as a greeting by the Republican faction, and known as the "Popular Front salute" or the "anti-fascist salute".^[7]

Also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_symbolism

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, I agree there. But, just to assume because they raise a fist makes them commies is a stretch....

Isn't that how it works though?  Perception is reality and if people perceive it for something different, something offensive...then it's offensive. 

If people want to cancel the raised fist, then so be it.