OK to open schools?

Trimmer36 Junior Member
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Wed, Jul 8, 2020 9:54 PM

Trump and DeVoss say schools must be open. Your thoughts?


justincredible Honorable Admin
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Wed, Jul 8, 2020 10:43 PM

My thought is the fedgov has no business in the matters of education.

Al Bundy Senior Member
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Wed, Jul 8, 2020 11:49 PM
posted by justincredible

My thought is the fedgov has no business in the matters of education.

I agree that the fed shouldn't, but they can use funding to gain control.

Ironman92 Administrator
56,729 posts 139 reps Joined Nov 2009
Thu, Jul 9, 2020 7:53 AM

They’ll open but at all different levels. I think we are Mon/Tues half of kids....Thurs/Fri other half. Wednesday for planning and cleaning. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Jul 9, 2020 8:00 AM

Schools will open.  Dewine has made that clear.


As for what it may look like, Dewine has painted a broad brush and told locals to do what they feel is good for their situations.

8,788 posts 21 reps Joined Nov 2009
Thu, Jul 9, 2020 8:55 AM

If you really want to open up the economy, schools have to be open in some form.  You cannot ask for parents to watch their kids at home and still work either at home or in a work place. 

I agree, it should be a state and local decision as each state and local school district is different and has different Covid levels. 

gerb131 Senior Member
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Fri, Jul 10, 2020 9:32 AM

hope so. maybe split it first 9-12 weeks after that I’m hoping 5 days for all 

Fab4Runner Tits McGee
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Fri, Jul 10, 2020 9:45 AM

I'll preface this by saying that I don't have kids, but I find it odd that teachers and schools are somehow responsible for babysitting children, helping the economy recover, and getting us "back to normal." 

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Fri, Jul 10, 2020 9:52 AM

To me, the biggest reason schools need to be open is because kids desperately need that structure.  5 months of not having that takes a huge toll on most kids.  They are missing out on not just the learning in person (which cannot be replicated online), but also the social structure of interacting with their peers.  The harm from taking this away from kids far outweighs the risks of in-person school.  Yes there are risks.  But that's always been the case and always will be.  

Spock Senior Member
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Fri, Jul 10, 2020 10:30 AM
posted by Fab4Runner

I'll preface this by saying that I don't have kids, but I find it odd that teachers and schools are somehow responsible for babysitting children, helping the economy recover, and getting us "back to normal." 

Havent tried to quantify the impact of schools on the economy?  In many cases, a school is the largest employer in most communities, they generate income for lots of people.


The US economy and job market is directly affected by the ability to have a 2 income household when kids are housed at a school.

Fab4Runner Tits McGee
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Fri, Jul 10, 2020 10:49 AM
posted by Spock

Havent tried to quantify the impact of schools on the economy?  In many cases, a school is the largest employer in most communities, they generate income for lots of people.


The US economy and job market is directly affected by the ability to have a 2 income household when kids are housed at a school.

I'm well aware. Perhaps employers should step up and accommodate working parents instead of everything being put on schools and teachers. We're asking them to risk their health and the health of their loved ones and acting like they're the bad guys if they have a problem with that. 

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Fri, Jul 10, 2020 11:02 AM

Open the schools.

Verbal Kint Senior Member
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Sat, Jul 11, 2020 7:50 AM

The mass hysteria is depressing, mental health will be effected much more than the virus would for a lot of young persons.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Tue, Jul 14, 2020 7:32 PM

bump ttt

gut Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 14, 2020 7:40 PM
posted by Fab4Runner

...I find it odd that teachers and schools are somehow responsible for babysitting children, helping the economy recover, and getting us "back to normal." 

How is it different than people having to go to work at Walmart, or McD's, or Amazon?  The janitor at the hospital.  Cops.  Firefighters and many, many other "essential" workers.

Children have shown not to be spreaders of this.  And I tend to think a teacher is capable of teaching kids from a distance of 8 feet away (or more).  Aside from working remotely, the risk to teachers is probably lower than most other professionals in an office or factory environment.

Like any other job, if they don't find the risk acceptable then take a leave of absence.

Fab4Runner Tits McGee
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Tue, Jul 14, 2020 7:56 PM
posted by gut

How is it different than people having to go to work at Walmart, or McD's, or Amazon?  The janitor at the hospital.  Cops.  Firefighters and many, many other "essential" workers.

Children have shown not to be spreaders of this.  And I tend to think a teacher is capable of teaching kids from a distance of 8 feet away (or more).  Aside from working remotely, the risk to teachers is probably lower than most other professionals in an office or factory environment.

Like any other job, if they don't find the risk acceptable then take a leave of absence.

If there are proper protocols and plans in place, by all means, open schools. Will schools be providing PPE? Masks, sanitizer, etc? Teachers I know have to ask parents for Lysol wipes, Kleenex, and hand sanitizer every year because the schools don't provide them. Will there be regular testing with fast turnaround time? What happens when a teacher tests positive and has to be out for 14+ days? Are there enough substitutes to handle that? Does anyone they were in the teacher's lounge with have to quarantine as well? It's my understanding that 25-30% of teachers are older than 50. That seems like...a lot. I don't believe there is much known about Covid and pregnancy. 

So yeah, it would be great if schools could just open up and everything be normal. But is that currently possible? 

Al Bundy Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 14, 2020 8:07 PM
posted by gut

How is it different than people having to go to work at Walmart, or McD's, or Amazon?  The janitor at the hospital.  Cops.  Firefighters and many, many other "essential" workers.

Children have shown not to be spreaders of this.  And I tend to think a teacher is capable of teaching kids from a distance of 8 feet away (or more).  Aside from working remotely, the risk to teachers is probably lower than most other professionals in an office or factory environment.

Like any other job, if they don't find the risk acceptable then take a leave of absence.

Being a cashier with a customer for 2 minutes is a lot different than caring for a kindergartener for 8 hours.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Tue, Jul 14, 2020 8:10 PM
posted by Fab4Runner

If there are proper protocols and plans in place, by all means, open schools. Will schools be providing PPE? Masks, sanitizer, etc? Teachers I know have to ask parents for Lysol wipes, Kleenex, and hand sanitizer every year because the schools don't provide them. Will there be regular testing with fast turnaround time? What happens when a teacher tests positive and has to be out for 14+ days? Are there enough substitutes to handle that? Does anyone they were in the teacher's lounge with have to quarantine as well? It's my understanding that 25-30% of teachers are older than 50. That seems like...a lot. I don't believe there is much known about Covid and pregnancy. 

So yeah, it would be great if schools could just open up and everything be normal. But is that currently possible? 

I’m not going to try and answer the testing piece bc who knows. But schools are full of dead weight. My tiny ass school had an assistant AD for no other reason than they could. Out of control budgets lead to people getting paid for no reason. Same reason police unions should be disbanded is the same reason teachers should. They have no one who controls the budget well. They have money, they just choose to waste it.


Fab4Runner Tits McGee
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Tue, Jul 14, 2020 8:15 PM
posted by iclfan2

I’m not going to try and answer the testing piece bc who knows. But schools are full of dead weight. My tiny ass school had an assistant AD for no other reason than they could. Out of control budgets lead to people getting paid for no reason. Same reason police unions should be disbanded is the same reason teachers should. They have no one who controls the budget well. They have money, they just choose to waste it.


Ok, so between now and mid-August are they going to get rid of the dead weight so they can provide teachers and students with PPE? 

geeblock Member
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Tue, Jul 14, 2020 8:23 PM

Looking at the spread of covid in prisons is probably  a better comparison than a cashier.  

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Tue, Jul 14, 2020 8:35 PM
posted by Fab4Runner

Ok, so between now and mid-August are they going to get rid of the dead weight so they can provide teachers and students with PPE? 

I dunno, should have fixed it 20 years ago. Ask your state government. But are you okay with a hundred thousand kids just not doing school at all? 


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