Impressed by the Trump administration part II

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Wed, Jun 19, 2019 9:43 AM
posted by Spock

Funny how the media narratives about Trump have sticking power with the collective idiots.  He is racists, he lies, he acts like a baby, his WH is in turmoil.........give me a break.  

 

 

They have to talk themselves into their own narratives.  The notion that 150,000 people RSVP’d to a rally, and started lining up 40 hours in advance is frosting on the cake of their  debilitating mental stress to the degree they should claim disability from their ‘profession’. 

 

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Jun 20, 2019 2:00 PM

I am sure that Iran is trying to interfere with our elections coming up by shooting down that drone.  I am sure they would love to see him lose

gut Senior Member
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Thu, Jun 20, 2019 2:05 PM
posted by Spock

I am sure that Iran is trying to interfere with our elections coming up by shooting down that drone.  I am sure they would love to see him lose

I'm sure the Left will blame Trump for canceling Obama's agreement, while the Right will blame Obama for a weak agreement that needed replaced.

For the Repubs, whatever Trump's response is will be "the right decision", while Obama in the same situation would have been "feckless".

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Jun 20, 2019 3:14 PM
posted by gut

I'm sure the Left will blame Trump for canceling Obama's agreement, while the Right will blame Obama for a weak agreement that needed replaced.

For the Repubs, whatever Trump's response is will be "the right decision", while Obama in the same situation would have been "feckless".

We know one thing, history has already written the chapter on Obama, the Iran deal was a bad one.  POlitically motivated and likely part of a crime.

gut Senior Member
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Thu, Jun 20, 2019 3:51 PM
posted by Spock

We know one thing, history has already written the chapter on Obama, the Iran deal was a bad one. 

Was it really?  Lindsay Graham today was saying if Iran fires things back up that they would be days away from being a real nuclear threat.  Which doesn't make it sound like Obama's deal wasn't working.

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Jun 20, 2019 4:14 PM
posted by gut

Was it really?  Lindsay Graham today was saying if Iran fires things back up that they would be days away from being a real nuclear threat.  Which doesn't make it sound like Obama's deal wasn't working.

Dropping money on a tarmac to keep Iran under control isnt a "deal"....its a "bribe".  Governments shouldnt do that.  Thats what Obama did.  

majorspark Senior Member
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Thu, Jun 20, 2019 4:15 PM
posted by gut

Was it really?  Lindsay Graham today was saying if Iran fires things back up that they would be days away from being a real nuclear threat.  Which doesn't make it sound like Obama's deal wasn't working.

Stealthily slow walking to become a nuclear state does not indicate a deal is working either.

gut Senior Member
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Thu, Jun 20, 2019 4:18 PM
posted by majorspark

Stealthily slow walking to become a nuclear state does not indicate a deal is working either.

Lack of evidence for that aside, if it has slowed progress - as Graham clearly indicates - then the deal is not ineffective.

majorspark Senior Member
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Thu, Jun 20, 2019 4:45 PM
posted by gut

Lack of evidence for that aside, if it has slowed progress - as Graham clearly indicates - then the deal is not ineffective.

If the deals goal is to slow progress rather than prevent I would agree it was effective.  We slowed the Norks down too with deals giving them food to feed their scientists.  Anyways Trump gave the Iranians an out to military retaliation if they claim one of their generals went rouge.  Maybe he is privy to intelligence and that is actually the case but I highly doubt it.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Jun 20, 2019 4:47 PM

 

 

 

New Balance building new sneaker plant in Southeast Asia. 

 

Just kidding; it will be built in Massachusetts, USA. 

 

 

  more maga

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Wed, Jul 3, 2019 2:58 PM

 

Bechtel gets construction contract for Ohio ethane cracker

A proposed ethane cracker in eastern Ohio has taken another step forward, Kallanish Energyreports.

The giant international engineering firm Bechtel has announced it has been hired by Thailand’s PTT Global Chemical America and South Korea-based partner Daleim to build a $6 billion cracker.

The plant would be constructed at Shadyside on the Ohio River in Belmont County.

 

 

Work underway on Shell Chemical Appalachia plant

Shell Chemical Appalachia is building a petrochemical plant in Potter Township, Pa., and more than 100 cranes can be seen from the construction site, including a 695-foot-tall behemoth known as the Mother of All Cranes.

The Business Journals (tiered subscription model)/Pittsburgh (7/1) 

 

 

Ford completed $1 billion in upgrades at its two Chicago plants, including new body and paint shops, a revamped cafeteria and break room, and improved parking security. The latest Ford Explorer, Lincoln Aviator and Police Interceptor Utility vehicles will be produced at the plants, where 500 jobs were added.

WLS-TV (Chicago) (6/25) 

 

 

Stocks at record highs (again).

 

Have a great Independence Day!

 

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
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Wed, Jul 3, 2019 4:13 PM

QO that plant is literally 4 ridges away from my house and has been in the works for years now. Before Trump decided to run for President.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Wed, Jul 3, 2019 4:47 PM

 

Excellent ……..and no radical progressive state government or federal bureaucracy put a halt to it.  Take care.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 9, 2019 3:01 PM

U.S. oil production hit a record in April—more than 12 million barrels per day. The Houston Chronicle (subscription) has the numbers from the U.S. Energy Information Administration:

  • “The 12.2 million barrels a day mark comes less than a year after the United States surpassed 11 million barrels a day, in what had been a record at the time.”
  • “‘The U.S. onshore crude oil production increase is driven mainly by developing low permeability (tight) formations using horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing. EIA estimates that crude oil production from tight formations in April 2019 reached 7.4 million b/d, or 61% of the U.S. total,’ the report read.”

Meanwhile, Texas had an impressive showing:

  • Texas alone produced almost 5 million barrels a day in April, up more than 25 percent from the beginning of 2018.”

 

 

My, my …..didn’t government experts and other liberals tell us peak oil was 45 years ago?

 

Spock Senior Member
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Wed, Jul 10, 2019 8:02 AM

^^^^^^^^^^All great but I just paid 2.98 a gallon so I dont care where the oil is coming from......sounds like it should be $1.50 a gallon.

jmog Senior Member
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Wed, Jul 10, 2019 8:18 AM
posted by Spock

^^^^^^^^^^All great but I just paid 2.98 a gallon so I dont care where the oil is coming from......sounds like it should be $1.50 a gallon.

That's because Ohio just passed a new 10.5 cent tax increase on gas that took affect July 1st. So from June 30 to July 1 all gas in Ohio went up 10.5 cents per gallon.

Spock Senior Member
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Wed, Jul 10, 2019 8:31 AM
posted by jmog

That's because Ohio just passed a new 10.5 cent tax increase on gas that took affect July 1st. So from June 30 to July 1 all gas in Ohio went up 10.5 cents per gallon.

Before the holiday weekend, gas was $2.25 where I live (still really high if you live in the highest oil producer in the world).  So $2.99 is just straight price gauging.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/gas-prices/#20192:United-States:USD:g

 

 

While US is better off then most, big oil producers are paying in some cases $.00- $0.50 a gallon for gas

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Wed, Jul 10, 2019 9:47 AM
posted by Spock

^^^^^^^^^^All great but I just paid 2.98 a gallon so I dont care where the oil is coming from......sounds like it should be $1.50 a gallon.

"Should be?"

Let me explain how free market capitalism works ...

Spock Senior Member
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Wed, Jul 10, 2019 10:08 AM
posted by O-Trap

"Should be?"

Let me explain how free market capitalism works ...

Lets not believe that the gas industry is part of the "free market".  The local bakery is "free market".  Gas and oil is highly regulated, controlled, monopolized, subsidized outside the "free market".  

If we are producing that much oil, gas prices should be way down.  Oil producing countries all have way lower price points.  Only in America does it jump up 30-40% in one day based on a holiday or a weekend.  

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Wed, Jul 10, 2019 10:20 AM
posted by Spock

Lets not believe that the gas industry is part of the "free market".  The local bakery is "free market".  Gas and oil is highly regulated, controlled, monopolized, subsidized outside the "free market".  

If we are producing that much oil, gas prices should be way down.  Oil producing countries all have way lower price points.  Only in America does it jump up 30-40% in one day based on a holiday or a weekend.  

If you want to blame it on the regulation, you'd maybe have a case, but you'd have to articulate how.

Subsidies should theoretically make it cheaper, not more expensive.  Not sure how that helps your notion that it "should be" lower.

Finally, where's the monopoly?  There are several large oil companies.

You blamed it on "gauging" [sic], which isn't affected by government influence outside of forced price manipulation.  If the demand allows for it to be that high, it'll be that high for free market reasons.

The bottom line is, there is no "should" price.  Even in a less-than-free market like ours, there is no objective price for a good or service.

The only ideologies who disagree with that statement are ideologies I don't think you want to be associated with.

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