Impressed by the Trump administration part II

posted by gut

The former head of Mossad is not the HEAD of Mossad.  And I didn't question whether Iran was in compliance or not, I questioned that Israeli intelligence would be openly criticizing and undermining Netanyahu (and for the most part, it's not current officials).

That was my mistake.  But you can read that Israeli opinion is not all in agreement.  Let’s be honest, we have killed at least 100,000 people in the Middle East in the last 17 years due to bullshit premises.  I see this same thing setting up all over again with Iran.  We’ve got their country completely surrounded and we’re ready to go.  All we need is the command to go and we can lay waste to another country in search of WMDs that our president is sure are being prepared.  Sound familiar?  “If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists.”  

As long as the Israelis feel safe...that’s all that matters.......

posted by Con_Alma

Is there any concern that John Kerry may have violated the Logan Act or nah?

Well, the Logan Act is almost more idea than a "real" thing.....but Drumph!

Isn’t it law? ...federal law? ...or is it kind of like the federal ban against marijuana...and illegal immigration? 

posted by Con_Alma

Isn’t it law? ...federal law? ...or is it kind of like the federal ban against marijuana...and illegal immigration? 

I thought I read that only like 2-3 people have ever been prosecuted and no one convicted.  I always said that was some serious bullshit to pull with Flynn because I'd bet almost everyone in his [future] position has done the same during transition.....but that's the sort of thing that makes it a witch hunt.

...so it’s OK going forward to negotiate/influence separate of US officials???  Just trying to understand what’s appropriate for my own understanding. 

posted by Con_Alma

...so it’s OK going forward to negotiate/influence separate of US officials???  Just trying to understand what’s appropriate for my own understanding. 

I'm saying either the law lacks real teeth, or it's intended for something far more egregious.  2 indictments and 0 convinctions in over TWO HUNDRED years speaks for itself, no?

More than likely, Kerry did mean to violate the Logan act...so no chance of prosecution

posted by Con_Alma

Lets not forget that 61% of congress voted against this deal and President Obama couldn't get Dems fully on board and yet he put it in place ayway.  It's a unilateral, Executive Office deal that when he was a Candidate Donald Trump vowed to withdraw from.  If our allies have a question on trust they should consider Mr. Turmp's follow through on this scenario.

Thank you.

posted by Con_Alma

"At the heart of the Iran deal was a giant fiction that a murderous regime desired only a peaceful nuclear energy program."

...my position form the beginning.

Meanwhile....is there not any concern over John Kerry's collusion with Iran?

Bingo.

CBO estimates wrong .............. wow, what a surprise. 

And to think, we've only just begun. 

posted by gut

I'm saying either the law lacks real teeth, or it's intended for something far more egregious.  2 indictments and 0 convinctions in over TWO HUNDRED years speaks for itself, no?

It's my premise that the Logan Act, federal marijuana laws and illegal immigration laws don't lack "teeth" as much as we lack people wiling to enforce these laws.

posted by Con_Alma

It's my premise that the Logan Act, federal marijuana laws and illegal immigration laws don't lack "teeth" as much as we lack people wiling to enforce these laws.

2 indictments, 0 convictions in over 200 years....not even in the same universe as the other two you mentioned.

No one ever heard of the Logan Act before the "resistance movement" needed to drumph-up some charges on Flynn.

"U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers have apprehended an additional 1,600 people attempting to illegally enter the country from Mexico as a result of the deployment of National Guard troops to the southwest border, CBP and defense officials said Wednesday.

National Guard officials overseeing the border state deployments said troops helping monitor the international boundary have freed up more border agents to physically guard the border. The result has led to a surge in the amount of criminal activity agents have stopped."

Build the wall and we can do an even better job, and redeploy our resources elsewhere, or simply cut the budget. 

posted by gut

2 indictments, 0 convictions in over 200 years....not even in the same universe as the other two you mentioned.

No one ever heard of the Logan Act before the "resistance movement" needed to drumph-up some charges on Flynn.

Thank you for answering my question regarding that.  I hope someone can answer the others I asked too.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Iran is a bad actor

You have to laugh at this new politically acceptable term.  Romney was mocked in 2012 for calling Russia our greatest geopolitical foe and Iran our greatest national security threat.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

As long as the Israelis feel safe...that’s all that matters.......

I think the saudis would like to feel safe as well.  Both nations have failed states on their borders that the Iranians have placed their missile batteries on.  But those darn jews. 

posted by majorspark

I think the saudis would like to feel safe as well.  Both nations have failed states on their borders that the Iranians have placed their missile batteries on.  But those darn jews. 

You know, it's interesting. I see/hear so many people on the "left" that have a deeply ingrained bias against Israel. If you ask them what are their reasons for being anti-Israel it's usually something like "look at they kill Palestinian children!". I've even been told directly that it was because Israel is too eagerly defensive. Think about that. "eagerly defensive"

I think there is plenty of blame of both sides to be passed around. But maybe I'm looking at this all wrong? Maybe Israel should not defend itself?

 I just talked to an ex coworker who lives in Israel on Tuesday on Skype. I've X'd out her name but otherwise is a direct c/p:

2:51pm xxxx: And authorities requested municipalities in the north to open their bomb shelters, guess it is going to once again that kind of summer

 Imagine for a moment living like that and it being routine. If you are somebody who feels sympathy for Palestine, then you must also feel sympathy for Israel. Unfortunately, it's not mainstream to people on the left to look at both sides with the same critical or sympathetic eye. At this point, I'm of the opinion that it's a reactive compulsion. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

 Imagine for a moment living like that and it being routine. If you are somebody who feels sympathy for Palestine, then you must also feel sympathy for Israel. Unfortunately, it's not mainstream to people on the left to look at both sides with the same critical or sympathetic eye. At this point, I'm of the opinion that it's a reactive compulsion. 

The bigger question is, why do so many Jewish people continue to vote Democrat despite the clear & growing anti-Israel sentiment on the left?  Very puzzling the Dems would carve out such a seemingly unnecessary and unproductive stance, but more puzzling that it's working.

posted by gut

The bigger question is, why do so many Jewish people continue to vote Democrat despite the clear & growing anti-Israel sentiment on the left?  

I have wondered that for years.