Guns and Mass Shootings

Rifles contributed to 3% of gun deaths in 2020.

78% of mass shootings in America are from hand guns.  

It's about slowly eroding away your rights my friends.  Ban ARs and other long guns, and when that doesn't work, they'll ban the buying/selling of hand guns just like Canada has.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Very glad to see the dad charged with murder.  

Same, and I am as pro 2nd amendment as they come. That guy needs to be in jail just as long as his kid almost in this case.

posted by geeblock

also am i crazy or were they showing a black kid as the shooter yesterday?

One of the victims was a 14yo black student. I kept seeing on X how family shared pictures of him because they couldn’t get in touch with him. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of. 

His mom had a long criminal history and was in prison as recently as April as well. 

posted by BR1986FB

Fiancee's nieces son is going into junior high and is extremely short for his age. He has been getting bullied at school, his mom has complained about it, and the school has done nothing. Kid comes home crying all the time. See a lot of this around here on a regular basis. If it's a racial situation, the school won't touch it for fear of "rocking the boat."

I’ll add that junior high boys are the worst. The worst thing K-12 is an 8th grade boy

posted by gut

There's already a shortage of mental health workers in this country.  Multiple school psychs to talk to kids "weekly" isn't remotely feasible.

But if you want to put A LOT more kids on A LOT more drugs, that's probably a good idea.

My tiny rural school only has around 770 kids K-12….we have 6 counselors. Our psychologist is not a psychologist because there aren’t any….on the important stuff we have to pay a psych from another school

posted by Ironman92

I’ll add that junior high boys are the worst. The worst thing K-12 is an 8th grade boy

To be fair, there are always two sides to the story. Her niece's son is pretty much a little dick so he could be instigating and crying victim.

posted by Trueblue23

Rifles contributed to 3% of gun deaths in 2020.

78% of mass shootings in America are from hand guns.  

It's about slowly eroding away your rights my friends.  Ban ARs and other long guns, and when that doesn't work, they'll ban the buying/selling of hand guns just like Canada has.  

It’s the same way they say the highest deaths of kids is gun violence… making kids like 15-21 year old gang bangers. It’s a joke. 

Serious question here. If they are charging a 14 year old as an adult, that means he is responsible for his actions and can make sound reasonable decisions. If he can mage reasonable decisions, why isn’t he eligible for the death penalty?

And if he is responsible for his decisions, how the hell could his dad be charged for his sons decisions?

posted by Devils Advocate

Serious question here. If they are charging a 14 year old as an adult, that means he is responsible for his actions and can make sound reasonable decisions. If he can mage reasonable decisions, why isn’t he eligible for the death penalty?

And if he is responsible for his decisions, how the hell could his dad be charged for his sons decisions?

I'm going to guess. But it's probably because even 14 year olds know that going around and killing people is bad. And the dad being charged is probably because parents are legally responsible. Again, just me guessing.

posted by Devils Advocate

Serious question here. If they are charging a 14 year old as an adult, that means he is responsible for his actions and can make sound reasonable decisions. If he can mage reasonable decisions, why isn’t he eligible for the death penalty?

And if he is responsible for his decisions, how the hell could his dad be charged for his sons decisions?

The parents molded him into the psycho he is today. The USA Today article on his mom said Colt and his sister were often locked out of the house at night, didn’t have food or clothes. She of course was in and out of the picture with drugs. 

Colt was old enough to know taking a gun to school and killing people is wrong, and he’ll be punished like an adult except for possible death penalty because the Supreme Court said so. 

I just don’t have the patience for anyone abusive to kids. The parents should both be in jail for eternity. 

I’ve been on this rant before, but here I go again. All I said is that if the child who was 14 can make legal decisions that affect the rest of his life for his actions then why is he not able to purchase that firearm? Why is he not able to Get married? Why is he not able to drink alcohol? Why is he not able to purchase a car? And you’re going to tell me that it’s OK for him to make a decision like that what what the hell are we talking about it is ridiculous to think  That he can even change his own fucking sex, but he’s not allowed to purchase that firearm. 

posted by Devils Advocate

Serious question here. If they are charging a 14 year old as an adult, that means he is responsible for his actions and can make sound reasonable decisions. If he can mage reasonable decisions, why isn’t he eligible for the death penalty?

And if he is responsible for his decisions, how the hell could his dad be charged for his sons decisions?

I see it as his dad being charged for negligence and almost conspiring.  Only a moron gives a kid a gun who already threatened to shoot up a school.

posted by Devils Advocate

I’ve been on this rant before, but here I go again. All I said is that if the child who was 14 can make legal decisions that affect the rest of his life for his actions then why is he not able to purchase that firearm? Why is he not able to Get married? Why is he not able to drink alcohol? Why is he not able to purchase a car? And you’re going to tell me that it’s OK for him to make a decision like that what what the hell are we talking about it is ridiculous to think  That he can even change his own fucking sex, but he’s not allowed to purchase that firearm. 

These are points worth considering and talking about in my opinion. I think there is a hierarchy to all of those things you listed, and more. And each tier needs to have its own considerations taken into account before determining, or coming to a consensus. All of the developmentals (mental, emotional, physical, etc) should be compared and pitted against each other. 

I think it's time to have things reconsidered. After all,  today's 14 year old boy is much different than a 14 year old boy in 1940. Same with girls. The advancement/regression ratios are probably wild to see. And have they even been mapped out in a way that makes them legible?

posted by Devils Advocate

I’ve been on this rant before, but here I go again. All I said is that if the child who was 14 can make legal decisions that affect the rest of his life for his actions then why is he not able to purchase that firearm? Why is he not able to Get married? Why is he not able to drink alcohol? Why is he not able to purchase a car? And you’re going to tell me that it’s OK for him to make a decision like that what what the hell are we talking about it is ridiculous to think  That he can even change his own fucking sex, but he’s not allowed to purchase that firearm. 

Yeah what a shame the messed up 14 year old couldn’t have gotten drunk and shot his wife with the gun he bought, in addition to his classmates. 

Thought I saw where this kid was apparently obsessed with Parkland.

Maybe we should try just not covering these shootings, because aside from the obvious copycat angle, almost all these kids are suicidal and want to go out causing as much pain and suffering for their revenge.  And with every shooting we remind them again of this reality and provide a blueprint.  The coverage of these events is like porn to those psychopaths.  Take away the infamy and notoriety and school shootings will drop dramatically.  You want to censor everything, try censoring something that could actually make a difference.

I'm not sure guns and mental health have changed all that much.  But Columbine changed everything.

posted by gut

Thought I saw where this kid was apparently obsessed with Parkland.

Maybe we should try just not covering these shootings, because aside from the obvious copycat angle, almost all these kids are suicidal and want to go out causing as much pain and suffering for their revenge.  And with every shooting we remind them again of this reality and provide a blueprint.  The coverage of these events is like porn to those psychopaths.  Take away the infamy and notoriety and school shootings will drop dramatically.  You want to censor everything, try censoring something that could actually make a difference.

I'm not sure guns and mental health have changed all that much.  But Columbine changed everything.

Well, school shootings happened before then. The difference in severity and amount started happening when we decided mental asylums were bad.

To be fair, the practices used and overcrowding at the time were atrocious. But there is definite correlation of not removing some people from society, even temporarily, and the rise of mass shootings. A long time ago I linked to a site where psychiatrists and psychologists of the time said that it was a mistake to push and make the change to a more community driven treatment for a large number of patients. It's unpopular to question past decisions 

And that's where DA's questions are important ones to consider. 

Most people know/understand that there is a massive and critical crises of mental health in this country. But the fortitude to implement changes in the approaches to mental health isn't there.  Big pharma maintains a large amount of control in the meantime, prescriptions rule the day.