Guns and Mass Shootings

posted by geeblock

Lol cheers! They could have had 3 guns per person at wounded knee and would have ended the same way smh 

Except there would be more federal troops dead.

Well, this is pretty common sense:

"The bipartisan group of senators said on Sunday that they were working to write legislation that would give more funding to mental-health programs and school security, as well as provide incentives for states to implement and maintain red-flag laws and include juvenile records in background checks for people buying guns who are under 21 years of age."

Unfortunately, they aren't going to raise the age to buy a rifle to 21.  Of course, states can still do that (and several already did back in 2018).  I thought that would have been a no-brainer

posted by gut

Well, this is pretty common sense:

"The bipartisan group of senators said on Sunday that they were working to write legislation that would give more funding to mental-health programs and school security, as well as provide incentives for states to implement and maintain red-flag laws and include juvenile records in background checks for people buying guns who are under 21 years of age."

Unfortunately, they aren't going to raise the age to buy a rifle to 21.  Of course, states can still do that (and several already did back in 2018).  I thought that would have been a no-brainer

I am fairly knowledgeable about guns and gun laws and I did learn something new here.

I didn’t realize that juvenile records weren’t already part of the background check for younger gun owners. That should be common sense, if not there are no just turned 18 year olds that would get rejected by a background check.

That’s gun “control” I am 100% for.

posted by jmog

I didn’t realize that juvenile records weren’t already part of the background check for younger gun owners. That should be common sense, if not there are no just turned 18 year olds that would get rejected by a background check.

I didn't realize it, either.  I suppose that's what happens [lack of common sense] when you let intractable and unrealistic positions control the debate.

posted by jmog

I am fairly knowledgeable about guns and gun laws and I did learn something new here.

I didn’t realize that juvenile records weren’t already part of the background check for younger gun owners. That should be common sense, if not there are no just turned 18 year olds that would get rejected by a background check.

That’s gun “control” I am 100% for.

I feel like juvenile records should stop at about the age of 14.  

posted by Fletch

I feel like juvenile records should stop at about the age of 14.  

I can buy that.

posted by superman

Yes remembering and understanding  history now makes me a psycho.  

You know the republic is in danger when the defenders of liberty are chastised, (mis)-labeled, and ultimately censored. 

Buckle up. 

posted by gut

Well, this is pretty common sense:

"The bipartisan group of senators said on Sunday that they were working to write legislation that would give more funding to mental-health programs and school security, as well as provide incentives for states to implement and maintain red-flag laws and include juvenile records in background checks for people buying guns who are under 21 years of age."

Unfortunately, they aren't going to raise the age to buy a rifle to 21.  Of course, states can still do that (and several already did back in 2018).  I thought that would have been a no-brainer

Band-aids and window dressing, but maybe a few political points.  Real change however, will not be easy.  And that will only occur when the government programs that enable the breakup of the family unit are ended.  When the devaluation of human life is ended.  When lack of respect is ended.  When lack of discipline is ended.  When lack of work ethic is ended.  It's taken several decades of liberal policy to get where we are, and the disturbing results are clear.   MORE government is hardly the answer.  Unfortunately I doubt that we have the fortitude to get to the root of the problem, and truly change things for the better.  

posted by Fletch

I feel like juvenile records should stop at about the age of 14.  

Torn on this. It should definitely stick around longer then just disappearing at age 18 but I also don’t want someone to not have the ability to get a job because of a mistake they made at 14. I think group the crimes by severity and some drop off at 18 some at 21 some at 10 years after the crime.

posted by QuakerOats

Band-aids and window dressing, but maybe a few political points.  Real change however, will not be easy.  And that will only occur when the government programs that enable the breakup of the family unit are ended.  When the devaluation of human life is ended.  When lack of respect is ended.  When lack of discipline is ended.  When lack of work ethic is ended.  It's taken several decades of liberal policy to get where we are, and the disturbing results are clear.   MORE government is hardly the answer.  Unfortunately I doubt that we have the fortitude to get to the root of the problem, and truly change things for the better.  

Now your blaming school shootings on welfare?

posted by sportchampps

Torn on this. It should definitely stick around longer then just disappearing at age 18 but I also don’t want someone to not have the ability to get a job because of a mistake they made at 14. I think group the crimes by severity and some drop off at 18 some at 21 some at 10 years after the crime.

Nothing is absolute,  if a 16 year old has a domestic violence, statuary rape,  gun charge or some sort of violent felony,  it should 100% be on their adult record.

I’m not opining one way or the other on other gun laws being discussed. But shit, at least enforce one’s we have.

NEW: Per sources, the gang member who fatally shot two El Monte PD officers last night was on probation for felon w/ a firearm after he received a bare minimum sentence in plea deal under LA DA @GeorgeGascon last year, despite having a previous strike on his record. @FoxNews

— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) June 15, 2022

posted by iclfan2

I’m not opining one way or the other on other gun laws being discussed. But shit, at least enforce one’s we have.

NEW: Per sources, the gang member who fatally shot two El Monte PD officers last night was on probation for felon w/ a firearm after he received a bare minimum sentence in plea deal under LA DA @GeorgeGascon last year, despite having a previous strike on his record. @FoxNews

— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) June 15, 2022

Defund the DA's.

Interesting way to explain it but he’s not wrong.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTdwvBhh9/?k=1

posted by jmog

Interesting way to explain it but he’s not wrong.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTdwvBhh9/?k=1

If it was being realistically proposed to ban all guns, yes his explanation would be correct.  However, that is not the case.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

If it was being realistically proposed to ban all guns, yes his explanation would be correct.  However, that is not the case.

Do you honestly believe Dems wouldn't ban all guns if they had the votes?

As for the video, I was expecting him to go to "imagine if only Darth Vader had a light saber".

posted by gut

Do you honestly believe Dems wouldn't ban all guns if they had the votes?

As for the video, I was expecting him to go to "imagine if only Darth Vader had a light saber".

Some Dems would try, yes.  Some Repubs would ban teaching of evolution.  Neither of those are realistic outcomes, and are not what people who have influence on success are arguing about.  

Boogie reminds me of that guy that gets the remote choke from Darth Vader.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

If it was being realistically proposed to ban all guns, yes his explanation would be correct.  However, that is not the case.

They are proposing banning the specific gun and type of guns. So it is the case.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Some Dems would try, yes.  Some Repubs would ban teaching of evolution.  Neither of those are realistic outcomes, and are not what people who have influence on success are arguing about.  

Just a week or two ago Biden was talking, again, about banning 9mm handguns.  I think he actually said something along the lines of banning ALL semi-auto guns.  Which is like 90% of all guns owned.

He's President.  Is that influential enough for you?