Disgusted with the Biden administration

posted by kizer permanente

I think the cause is pretty evident unless you've been in a coma since 2019?

Actually, the reactions to what you believe to be the cause is the actual cause.

posted by iclfan2

80% of the adult population has the vaccine. And treat it like the flu instead of this super scary pandemic. Shutting down schools was stupid, and most normal people knew it at the time instead of hindsight. And the labor shortage has nothing to do with people being sick, not sure where you came up with that. And the mandate will just exacerbate the labor shortage, so don’t do it? We have better ways to deal with Covid now, and new pills are also on the way.  It’s been almost 2 years and we are still acting like it’s brand new. People are still wearing masks outside and in the car like idiots. 

80% ?  I've seen 70% put out by the White house but I haven't seen 80.

posted by queencitybuckeye

Actually, the reactions to what you believe to be the cause is the actual cause.

Of course. I'm sure the supply chain would be in total disarray had covid not happened. I'm sure plants across the globe would be idled or partial capacity.  It's definitely not a pandemic. 

posted by gut

Nothing Biden can do.  Move along.

But seems some economists are worried that tapping the brakes is going to overshoot....because they believe the global economy is slowing.  I'm not sure I'm buying that, because projected growth the next two years is at or above 2017/2018 levels when they were starting to raise interest rates because growth and inflation were heating up.

I'm also concerned this is a repeat of 2008, heck maybe even the internet bubble.  In both cases, central banks were too slow to raise rates when the economy was starting to flash warning signals.  To her credit, maybe, Yellen did say recently they are not going to sit on their thumb.  But it sure looks that way, and a lot of people are starting to say this inflation doesn't look transitory.

Maybe the truth is much uglier: OECD countries racked up a shit ton of debt the past 13 years, and they can't afford to go back to a normative interest rate environment.

So Biden can’t stop said mandate? I think he can since he created it, no?

posted by kizer permanente

Specifically what though? What have they done that's created this labor crisis GLOBALLY? What can they possibly do to fix it? Do you think it's gonna get better anytime soon? Honestly, I'd like to know if you think that. We still have people on this very thread saying covid is dumb and we need to go back to normal, like its really an option. Nearly half our population wont get vaccinated no matter what you do. This thing ain't dying out like past flu pandemics. Instead we wanna bitch about some people may quit if there's a mandate. We cant even keep people healthy enough to work as it is. The fuck a mandate gonna matter if some people quit? Those people who would quit over a mandate are the least of our problems.

You literally answered your own question.

You said earlier all of your India plants are closed due to “mandates”.

Stop the shutdown and rhe vaccine mandates. Allow businesses to just work like normal and the global economy will heal itself.

Get the goverbment(s) out of the fucking way.

posted by jmog

You literally answered your own question.

You said earlier all of your India plants are closed due to “mandates”.

Stop the shutdown and rhe vaccine mandates. Allow businesses to just work like normal and the global economy will heal itself.

Get the goverbment(s) out of the fucking way.

My point is what can Biden do about China and India?  theyre all part of the puzzle too. I huge part I might add. 

posted by kizer permanente

80% ?  I've seen 70% put out by the White house but I haven't seen 80.

70% or 80%, along with those that had covid and have natural immunity is a fucking high enough number to go back to normal and allow businesses and the economy to heal itself.

Get the government mandates out of the way, both in shutdowns and shot mandates  

posted by kizer permanente

Of course. I'm sure the supply chain would be in total disarray had covid not happened. I'm sure plants across the globe would be idled or partial capacity.  It's definitely not a pandemic. 

Did you not read what he said?

He said it was the governments REACTIONS to covid that is causing the problem and he is not wrong.

posted by kizer permanente

My point is what can Biden do about China and India?  theyre all part of the puzzle too. I huge part I might add. 

So you admit that it isn’t covid yet governments’ (plural) overreaction at this point to covid?

posted by jmog

Did you not read what he said?

He said it was the governments REACTIONS to covid that is causing the problem and he is not wrong.

The US isn't keeping any businesses closed. Other countries are and countries that are major players in the global supply chain. This is my point... This is beyond Biden. This is global. He can't do anything to mandate the world opens up.  These shortages will persist no matter what he does b/c its more than the US.

posted by jmog

So you admit that it isn’t covid yet governments’ (plural) overreaction at this point to covid?

You think having 6 million less people working in 2021 vs 2019 had anything to do with covid? .  Nah couldnt be. 

41 million boomers were still working in 2019. No way covid convinced a bunch of old people to retire and not come back. Not possible. 

posted by kizer permanente

80% ?  I've seen 70% put out by the White house but I haven't seen 80.

Also from the White House. 70% fully, 80% with 1. The mandate is too late and pointless, will only cause worse issues. Your argument that a bunch of people won’t quit because of it doesn’t count the people who already quit or retired Bc they didn’t want the vaccine. And another issue with the labor force was your boy paying people more money to sit on their ass instead of going to work. Not to mention childcare tax refund advances and not having to pay rent or student loan payments. Incentivizing people to not work doesn’t work out. 

posted by kizer permanente

The US isn't keeping any businesses closed. Other countries are and countries that are major players in the global supply chain. This is my point... This is beyond Biden. This is global. He can't do anything to mandate the world opens up.  These shortages will persist no matter what he does b/c its more than the US.

I said governments (plural) not government's (singular possessive). I meant all of the governments that have over reached. 

He can stop the mandates in the US, which will make the transportation and manufacturing here in the US ease the problem but not fix it. Once the US economy is running it could force the others to "catch up".

posted by kizer permanente

You think having 6 million less people working in 2021 vs 2019 had anything to do with covid? .  Nah couldnt be. 

Are you talking 6 million globally, in the US, where? And where did that 6 million number come from? How many of that 6 million have been forced out due to shut downs and mandates created by the governments involved?

posted by kizer permanente

Agreed but it has nothing to do with unemployment or whatever else you want to blame it on. It's also a WORLDWIDE labor crisis. People have died, older people have retired earlier. People are still getting sick. It's happening in EVERY country in the ENTIRE world. The POTUS isn't going to fix it. It's not possible.

Let's pretend your post is correct, why is he making it worse, deliberately? 

posted by jmog

Are you talking 6 million globally, in the US, where? And where did that 6 million number come from? How many of that 6 million have been forced out due to shut downs and mandates created by the governments involved?

In the US. And what shutdowns and mandates are keeping people out of work? 

posted by jmog

So Biden can’t stop said mandate? I think he can since he created it, no?

That was a joke aimed at Kaiser.

Again, this inflation is not just a transitory supply shock.  There IS a labor shortage, or at least a misallocation of labor (something recessions usually take care of, but we just printed over the last one).

The inflation also has a significant demand driver.  And then you have a plethora of new and pending govt policies that are also inflationary.

So, yeah, there is a lot the govt has done to make inflation WORSE, and there is a lot they could do (or stop doing) to make it a lot better.

They don't want to start raising rates with an election coming up.  We've seen that before.  And so they are just gaslighting us on all the things this inflation isn't, and all the things they could be doing but aren't.

posted by kizer permanente

There’s absolutely 0% chance 10-20% of our population could afford to just give up their job. Less than that have even enough savings to cover their expenses for 3 months. 

posted by gut
Wait a minute, I thought there was a labor shortage?  Can't they can all just quit and start a higher paying job tomorrow?

in a different country? he was talking about federal mandates.