LOCKED: Disgusted with progressives, part 2...

posted by gut

Let Congress grill the two of them on it.  If she's credible, then Trump should pull his nomination and have a new nomination that same day.  Accelerate the process because Feinstein sat on the info in order to delay it.

If additional evidence comes out, Kavanaugh could be impeached and removed for lying.  Isn't that correct?

And if she doesn't show up on Monday? Feinstein is already trying to delay it further. Ford's lawyer did not reply yesterday. How long do we play this game? If she doesn't show up monday, call for the vote.

posted by gut

Let Congress grill the two of them on it.  If she's credible, then Trump should pull his nomination and have a new nomination that same day.  Accelerate the process because Feinstein sat on the info in order to delay it.

If additional evidence comes out, Kavanaugh could be impeached and removed for lying.  Isn't that correct?

Fine, but there's no valid non-political reason that couldn't happen in a week or less. If there's a sincere element to this and not just the obvious delaying tactic, it shoudn;'t be a problem. If the Dems balk, call for the vote.

posted by queencitybuckeye

Fine, but there's no valid non-political reason that couldn't happen in a week or less. If there's a sincere element to this and not just the obvious delaying tactic, it shoudn;'t be a problem. If the Dems balk, call for the vote.

I completely agree.  And why the need for deep strategizing with a lawyer?  All she has to do is get up there and basically confirm what is in the therapists notes.  She really doesn't need to worry about slander/defamation.  You took a lie detector test, but you're unwilling to be questioned by former prosecutors?

Unless the hang-up is whether or not to make the hearing public.  Maybe the transcripts, but I can't believe people are actually debating whether her grilling should be televised.

We all know how this is going to go.  Both will testify on Monday, there will be a lot of he said/she said bullshit to rile up both sides, the dems will say they must delay the vote, the GOP will say fuck off, and then Kavanaugh will be confirmed. 

posted by like_that

We all know how this is going to go.  Both will testify on Monday, there will be a lot of he said/she said bullshit to rile up both sides, the dems will say they must delay the vote, the GOP will say fuck off, and then Kavanaugh will be confirmed. 

She is delaying.....the left is lilely looking for a credible witness that knew about it 40 years ago and she doent have one.  The defense does.....the guy that supposedly was there....and he said it didnt happen.

posted by Spock

She is delaying.....the left is lilely looking for a credible witness that knew about it 40 years ago and she doent have one.  The defense does.....the guy that supposedly was there....and he said it didnt happen.

She named the only witness that exists, and he disputes it happened.  She's already said she doesn't remember when, where or who was there at the party.  She's said she told no one about the incident, and never talked about it with anyone until 25 years later in therapy.  It's far from inconceivable she's misremembered a drunken incident, or even had the wrong guy all along (they went to different schools, 2 years apart....no idea how well they knew each other).

Dems are insisting the FBI investigate because they know that would delay a vote until after the election.  Nevermind the FBI said this is a local police matter, but I don't see how an investigation is going to turn up anything new in a he said/she said.  The two guys may have been too drunk to remember the incident, as well.

posted by gut

She named the only witness that exists, and he disputes it happened.  She's already said she doesn't remember when, where or who was there at the party.  She's said she told no one about the incident, and never talked about it with anyone until 25 years later in therapy.  It's far from inconceivable she's misremembered a drunken incident, or even had the wrong guy all along (they went to different schools, 2 years apart....no idea how well they knew each other).

Dems are insisting the FBI investigate because they know that would delay a vote until after the election.  Nevermind the FBI said this is a local police matter, but I don't see how an investigation is going to turn up anything new in a he said/she said.  The two guys may have been too drunk to remember the incident, as well.

 

This.  It is not a federal crime and the FBI does not need or will be involved at any point.  Its a pipe dream that the left will never get

posted by gut

Let Congress grill the two of them on it.  If she's credible, then Trump should pull his nomination and have a new nomination that same day.  Accelerate the process because Feinstein sat on the info in order to delay it.

If additional evidence comes out, Kavanaugh could be impeached and removed for lying.  Isn't that correct?

Frankly, this is probably how this should go anyway.  Confirm the guy, and if more comes out, remove his ass.

Both sides are really acting like hypocrites in this whole thing.

If this guy were a lefty, Republicans would be pulling out the virtue signaling in full force, waiving the moral high ground flag.  But he's not.  So they're not.

On the other side, if the Democrats truly believed this was a legitimate concern, and not just a ploy to delay the confirmation, then they would have no (moral) problem with him getting confirmed and letting the investigation work itself out.  But they don't.  So they do.

posted by gut

The two guys may have been too drunk to remember the incident, as well.

 

The parties in my teen years I recall the girls being just as drunk as the boys.  She was likely drunk herself.

posted by majorspark

The parties in my teen years I recall the girls being just as drunk as the boys.  She was likely drunk herself.

I'm sure.  Really just saying it's possible [likely] none of them really knows what happened but 100% believes their version of events.

I have my doubts she will even testify.  I'm not sure she's made any formal, declarative statements.  So far, it appears the story is all hearsay - secondhand accounts of things she has allegedly told her therapist, lawyer, Feinstein, etc..

And, apparently, the only witness [according to her] has declined to testify and has said he doesn't remember the incident.  That really should be the end of it, after a follow-up appearance from Kavanaugh, because all she has is therapy notes that fails to mention anyone by name.  That's unfortunate, but that really does make all the difference - if Kavanaugh was in the therapist notes [2012, mind you], I'd be completely satisfied.

CNN is now reporting this lady is not showing up Monday.

All of this is purely a delay tactic.  Feistein is to blame for this.  

Senate needs to just push this through

posted by gut

And, apparently, the only witness [according to her] has declined to testify and has said he doesn't remember the incident.  That really should be the end of it, after a follow-up appearance from Kavanaugh, because all she has is therapy notes that fails to mention anyone by name.  That's unfortunate, but that really does make all the difference - if Kavanaugh was in the therapist notes [2012, mind you], I'd be completely satisfied.

Agree.  This makes all the difference to me as well.

posted by Spock

CNN is now reporting this lady is not showing up Monday.

All of this is purely a delay tactic.  Feistein is to blame for this.  

Senate needs to just push this through

I agree.  Already gave the reasoning - only witness she identified disputes it.  I don't think you need to talk to her if you are satisfied Kavanaugh is being truthful.

To be fair, she brought this up soon after he was nominated.  Which is another reason to believe this isn't some elaborate fabrication.  But if you're not willing to testify, then maybe the story is not what has been reported and/or you don't fully trust your own recollection.  Door #3 is she was a real party girl, and doesn't want her family to know that.  Not passing judgement on that, but it would explain why her attorney is supposedly trying to set boundaries.

Now her lawyer is demanding an FBI investigation. Kavanaugh has gotten vetted by the fbi 6 different times throughout his career. (FBI already said they won’t investigate). Also doesn’t want a public hearing, which I think is a resonable request, but if she doesn’t show up on Monday to a private one, hold the vote. 

posted by iclfan2

Now her lawyer is demanding an FBI investigation. Kavanaugh has gotten vetted by the fbi 6 different times throughout his career. (FBI already said they won’t investigate). Also doesn’t want a public hearing, which I think is a resonable request, but if she doesn’t show up on Monday to a private one, hold the vote. 

This.  

posted by iclfan2

...but if she doesn’t show up on Monday to a private one, hold the vote. 

We're almost back to where we were when it was "an unnamed incident from an unnamed source...".

She tried a couple different ways to report this anonymously.  Fair enough.  But then when that isn't enough, THEN you come forward....except you're not technically willing to come forward on the record.  That smells like someone unwilling to testify under oath, and frankly someone who has thus far avoided any direct potential risk for slander/defamation.  

Demanding an FBI investigation is, I'm sorry, a tacit admission that your story is not compelling on its own, if this is anything more than a delay tactic.  You've come this far, and have been given an opportunity to tell your story behind closed doors.  And you say no?!?  And why would that preclude an FBI investigation?  Tell your story under oath and then you'll have no shortage of calls for an FBI investigation.

posted by iclfan2

Now her lawyer is demanding an FBI investigation. 

Besides, you know Soros has already spent millions trying to find someone willing to corroborate her story, or at least lie for enough cash. :)

If she really wanted this done she should have sent this to Grassley.  If he would have kept it without reporting then that would have held it all up.  Even the left cant get their scams right

This is getting beyond dumb. Just schedule the damn vote. 

Gotta love female privilege. You can make an accusation and then nobody is allowed to question you otherwise they are terrible people.  You also don't actually have to prove it happened per Ford's lawyer's comments.