2024 Presidential Election Thread

posted by Devils Advocate

Or you could say. Another 4 years of that asshole is the definition of insanity

Except that asshole accomplished positive things when he was the POTUS. The current crew in charge has been a disaster.

posted by BR1986FB
The same could be said for anyone that thinks this insanity (4 more years of the same old shit, or worse) is a good idea.

In fairness, stupid people vote both ways.  

We’re not talking stupid, we’re talkin insanity here dammit!

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

In fairness, stupid people vote both ways.  

Agree but I do believe the majority of stupid people that actually vote, will vote Trump

posted by Ironman92

Agree but I do believe the majority of stupid people that actually vote, will vote Trump

Agreed.  His message is purposely simple, like a kid on a playground.

posted by iclfan2

Dems wonder why they have a problem appealing to males, and then think Walz and AOC streaming Madden is going to help. 

Sitting down with Shannon Sharpe speaking with broken grammar and a fake accent is not going to win them over either. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Agreed.  His message is purposely simple, like a kid on a playground.

Probably because the majority of the "stupid" people that are voting for him are the non-college degreed working class. You know, the group that the Dems have alienated?

posted by BR1986FB

Probably because the majority of the "stupid" people that are voting for him are the non-college degreed working class. You know, the group that the Dems have alienated?

Not the people I have in mind at all.  Non-degreed's got nothing to do with it.  Plenty of degreed morons in the MAGA camp.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Not the people I have in mind at all.  Non-degreed's got nothing to do with it.  Plenty of degreed morons in the MAGA camp.

Well the majority of those showing Trump's approval with the non-degreed is higher than Harris' while she has higher approval with the degreed so good chance there's a higher amount of degreed morons voting for her.

posted by BR1986FB

Well the majority of those showing Trump's approval with the non-degreed is higher than Harris' while she has higher approval with the degreed so good chance there's a higher amount of degreed morons voting for her.

Regardless, I think Trump's message is geared toward anger and stupidity. It resonates even though there is no substance to it.  Giant tariffs that will protect American industry, shipping immigrants out, going after MSM...all things that angry people can feast upon, but no more real than the "big, beautiful wall" Mexico was going to pay for.  It's more "my dad can beat up your dad" type stuff.

do we value the endorsements? I do, and as I see it, Vivek, RFK Jr, and Elon are all people who I personally respect as people who think critically and innovate. The fact that they are in the ear of Trump and endorse him is what pushed me over the edge to support him. Whether or not he actually does any innovating in the office will be seen, but i at least get a chance at change from that side. Kamala, as far as I can tell, has no endorsements besides singers, actors, giant tech CEO's, and establishment bureaucrats and that tells me all I need to know. 

I'm trying to change the direction of our country, less wars, more building industries, less service industries. I want us to build things again, not just generate numbers on a cloud server that we then tell people are equivalent to a dollar amount. 

Perhaps it's because of the industry I work in but when you see the results of outsourcing what used to be 100% USA made materials to China, Georgia (the country), Ukraine, etc. it's sad and alarming. that only about 4 countries can supply materials for me and due to regulations (Obama, Clinton enacted, but admittedly not overturned by Bush or Trump) we can't make enough in the USA to keep the industry going. I should note that I'm not even working on supercritical infrastructure stuff, like nuclear plants or defense materials, those industries are impacted way more severely than mine and that should scare all of us.

So yeah, if Trump does 4 more years of what we had, then I got "got" too bad. But at least I have a reason to believe he may take the country where I want it to go. I know Kamala isn't . I totally understand Winston and Kizer have clearly had a different life experience and they don't agree. But I hope they actually like Kamala and the direction she's saying we'll go under her administration and aren't just voting because it's socially unpopular to tell your friends and family that you're voting for Trump. I know I've had cousins, siblings, in-laws say shit to me about my Trump/Vance signs, and it would've been easier to say nothing, easier still to just support their candidate, but I won't . 

posted by j_crazy

do we value the endorsements? I do, and as I see it, Vivek, RFK Jr, and Elon are all people who I personally respect as people who think critically and innovate. The fact that they are in the ear of Trump and endorse him is what pushed me over the edge to support him. Whether or not he actually does any innovating in the office will be seen, but i at least get a chance at change from that side. Kamala, as far as I can tell, has no endorsements besides singers, actors, giant tech CEO's, and establishment bureaucrats and that tells me all I need to know. 

I'm trying to change the direction of our country, less wars, more building industries, less service industries. I want us to build things again, not just generate numbers on a cloud server that we then tell people are equivalent to a dollar amount. 

Perhaps it's because of the industry I work in but when you see the results of outsourcing what used to be 100% USA made materials to China, Georgia (the country), Ukraine, etc. it's sad and alarming. that only about 4 countries can supply materials for me and due to regulations (Obama, Clinton enacted, but admittedly not overturned by Bush or Trump) we can't make enough in the USA to keep the industry going. I should note that I'm not even working on supercritical infrastructure stuff, like nuclear plants or defense materials, those industries are impacted way more severely than mine and that should scare all of us.

So yeah, if Trump does 4 more years of what we had, then I got "got" too bad. But at least I have a reason to believe he may take the country where I want it to go. I know Kamala isn't . I totally understand Winston and Kizer have clearly had a different life experience and they don't agree. But I hope they actually like Kamala and the direction she's saying we'll go under her administration and aren't just voting because it's socially unpopular to tell your friends and family that you're voting for Trump. I know I've had cousins, siblings, in-laws say shit to me about my Trump/Vance signs, and it would've been easier to say nothing, easier still to just support their candidate, but I won't . 

Very well said.

When you can't get an endorsement from the largest newspaper in your home state (LA Times), a newspaper that has NEVER endorsed a Republican (Washington Post), a newspaper in the largest city (Minneapolis) of the state of your running mate is from, the Teamsters Union (which Biden had in his back pocket), you're considered the "worst VP in history", not even able to make it to the Iowa Caucuses when you ran for President AND the media has to prop you up to the masses because you're SO unlikeable.....there might be a problem. Also a history of 4 years of driving the country into the ground with no true plan to change it, other than "staying the course." Why in the f#ck would anyone vote for that?

Keep hearing this bullshit rhetoric about Trump being "Hitler." Well, part of Hitler's  history was mass genocide/killing people. In the past 8 years, with the open border policies, who has killed more people? I'd say the Harris/Biden regime is closer to this description than Trump.

Well thought out answer. It would be nice if we could go back to producing things again, but with the cheap wages that companies can pay and continue to make profit overseas, im not sure it will ever happen.  Even now the american companies pay the tariff for china and still it’s cheaper than using american labor.  Im not sure if trump will ever be an innovator he seems to want to stick to the past, gas stoves, gas cars, doesnt like solar or wind energy ect...  as far as Vivek im not sure he likes trump at all.  He tried to take the crown and lost and had to bend the knee.  He has no choice like a lot of people, but to support trump in case he wins or you will get shut out.  I agree that I dont think it matters as much as people make it out to be as far as who wins.  No matter who wins it will be both parties stalling and blocking the other, rinse repeat.

Also trump attempted to get all the same celebrities, they just said no, so instead he has scott baio, hulk hogan and kevin sorbo lol 

posted by geeblock

Well thought out answer. It would be nice if we could go back to producing things again, but with the cheap wages that companies can pay and continue to make profit overseas, im not sure it will ever happen.  Even now the american companies pay the tariff for china and still it’s cheaper than using american labor.  Im not sure if trump will ever be an innovator he seems to want to stick to the past, gas stoves, gas cars, doesnt like solar or wind energy ect...  as far as Vivek im not sure he likes trump at all.  He tried to take the crown and lost and had to bend the knee.  He has no choice like a lot of people, but to support trump in case he wins or you will get shut out.  I agree that I dont think it matters as much as people make it out to be as far as who wins.  No matter who wins it will be both parties stalling and blocking the other, rinse repeat.

Also trump attempted to get all the same celebrities, they just said no, so instead he has scott baio, hulk hogan and kevin sorbo lol 

Here's the problem with going overseas, especially China. What if China tried to flood the country with their super cheap steel? Of course I'm assuming they're looking to capitalize financially but what if they put the America steel companies out of business? If we have to rely on only China steel and China decides "we're cutting you off", poof, can't make guns, can't make tanks, etc, etc. Makes the country very vulnerable.

And I have no issue with alternatives such as solar/wind but electric vehicles were a HORRIBLE idea.

i said all that as someone who voted for Trump for the first time in the 2020 election. I'm politically agnostic, keep your regulations out of my life (within reason) and i'll be happy. If Thomas Massie, Mike Lee, or Rand Paul ever ran for national office that would be something that would motivate me to activism. Otherwise, I try to vote for the lesser of 2 evils which is sad but with guys like Mitt Romney being on past tickets there isn't a better way to explain my past votes than just that. 

posted by j_crazy

i said all that as someone who voted for Trump for the first time in the 2020 election. I'm politically agnostic, keep your regulations out of my life (within reason) and i'll be happy. If Thomas Massie, Mike Lee, or Rand Paul ever ran for national office that would be something that would motivate me to activism. Otherwise, I try to vote for the lesser of 2 evils which is sad but with guys like Mitt Romney being on past tickets there isn't a better way to explain my past votes than just that. 

You mention "lesser of two evils." Hypothetically, if somehow both the House and Senate were to be blue, and she was elected, I don't believe people have thought out the pure Hell we'd be in (policies she'd enact). I don't see this with Trump.

As somebody who had been in the work force and grew up pre-NAFTA, I can truthfully say that prices were not skyrocketed. I think that is a fear tactic used to justify NAFTA. I know that Ptown will come and say that this expert or that says differently, but you have to be critical of the politics in play at that time. Experts and published papers have a story to tell which doesn't always give the full picture.

I would love to see industry brought back to the country. And guess what? Owners of big industry made a bunch of money pre-NAFTA too. Not only that, but we saw a bigger middle class, healthier children and more homes with a parent who didn't have to work and be able to raise their children instead of relying on daycare.

I have no problems with solar power, either, as long as it doesn't cut too much into places like Forrest or small farms. 

I also have no fear of nuclear power. Caution and safety going forward with that is a good thing. But fear shouldn't be a deterrent imo.

I'd really like to know why Dems are willing cheerleaders for the exploitation of human beings. AKA "cheap labor". Because exploitation is exactly what it is. 

One of the problems with both Kamala and Trump is that neither are very statesmanlike. Say what you will about her, because sure have in the past, but Hillary Clinton had that affect didn't she?  The two running now just don't have it. One rambles on and on, the other does too just with a tremulous nasally voice.

It would be nice to have candidates with strong moderated voices that made coherent statements. 

(just me being sick of Kamala and Trump)

posted by CenterBHSFan

One of the problems with both Kamala and Trump is that neither are very statesmanlike. Say what you will about her, because sure have in the past, but Hillary Clinton had that affect didn't she?  The two running now just don't have it. One rambles on and on, the other does too just with a tremulous nasally voice.

It would be nice to have candidates with strong moderated voices that made coherent statements. 

(just me being sick of Kamala and Trump)

I’m with you. He is what he is, not sure he’d hold the lead of an important room with other nations….and she can’t even talk.

I definitely want a president that can have the control of the room and speak from knowledge as the debated items are being discussed. Political answers don’t work in those rooms.

Again, just two terrible candidates to actually be the leader of the United States of America

posted by BR1986FB

And I have no issue with alternatives such as solar/wind but electric vehicles were a HORRIBLE idea.