NLRB: College football players can unionize

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bigorangebuck22

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Mar 27, 2014 7:12 AM
Do they have to start paying taxes since they are "employees"?
Mar 27, 2014 7:12am
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vball10set

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Mar 27, 2014 7:40 AM
bigorangebuck22;1596849 wrote:Do they have to start paying taxes since they are "employees"?

....along with workmans comp, FICA, union dues, etc.
Mar 27, 2014 7:40am
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Apple

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Mar 27, 2014 7:56 AM
This decision opens up a can of worms!

Would schools put a salary cap on players or would there be a bidding war for the top high school athletes? If conferences put a salary cap on players, could that be seen as collusion?

OSHA could have a field day with occupational hazard claims!

Would academic scholarship students be able to unionize too? Their efforts, in labs etc., help the schools earn grant money.
Mar 27, 2014 7:56am
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MontyBrunswick

Mar 27, 2014 9:05 AM
It's too bad the OC doesn't have a college football forum where this could be discussed.
Mar 27, 2014 9:05am
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queencitybuckeye

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Mar 27, 2014 9:14 AM
Apple;1596861 wrote:This decision opens up a can of worms!

Would schools put a salary cap on players or would there be a bidding war for the top high school athletes? If conferences put a salary cap on players, could that be seen as collusion?

OSHA could have a field day with occupational hazard claims!

Would academic scholarship students be able to unionize too? Their efforts, in labs etc., help the schools earn grant money.
Good article on the decision

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/3/27/5551014/college-football-players-union-northwestern-nlrb
Mar 27, 2014 9:14am
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Mar 27, 2014 9:17 AM
dlazz, this is serious business! It is more than just college football. It is about big business, fame and fortune, USA societal change, laws and even politics. I thought maybe to put the thread in the politics forum since it is kind of fun to see two of the liberal left's highest bastions going up against each other (unions vs. academia).

If I mod wants to move it, nbd.
Mar 27, 2014 9:17am
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Tiernan

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Mar 27, 2014 9:27 AM
Teamsters or AFL-CIO?
Mar 27, 2014 9:27am
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vball10set

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Mar 27, 2014 9:49 AM
Tiernan;1596890 wrote:Teamsters or AFL-CIO?
F.I.S.T.
Mar 27, 2014 9:49am
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lhslep134

why so serious?

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Mar 27, 2014 9:55 AM
Still a long ways to go, plus it's only for private universities right now
Mar 27, 2014 9:55am
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Kosh B'Gosh

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Mar 27, 2014 10:11 AM
Apple;1596861 wrote:This decision opens up a can of worms!

Would schools put a salary cap on players or would there be a bidding war for the top high school athletes? If conferences put a salary cap on players, could that be seen as collusion?

OSHA could have a field day with occupational hazard claims!

Would academic scholarship students be able to unionize too? Their efforts, in labs etc., help the schools earn grant money.
This is my thought exactly (all of it, but especially the bold/underline sentiments).

This decision could be the detriment to the NCAA. I hope it is. I hope the NCAA fails miserably.
Mar 27, 2014 10:11am
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Glory Days

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Mar 27, 2014 11:27 AM
so will they do away with scholarships or will they get paid on top of their free or discounted education?
Mar 27, 2014 11:27am
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Con_Alma

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Mar 27, 2014 11:37 AM
bigorangebuck22;1596849 wrote:Do they have to start paying taxes since they are "employees"?
This would be a large amount of tax based on the value of educational services received. How in the world would these kids be able to pay that tax?
Mar 27, 2014 11:37am
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Mohican00

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Mar 27, 2014 11:37 AM
Glory Days;1596927 wrote:so will they do away with scholarships or will they get paid on top of their free or discounted education?
One of the issues is that if student employees are extended scholarships they would probably be considered taxable wages. My guess is that they would receive the employee discount on tuition if this were to go through.

On a side note, heard something funny on Colin where someone tweeted that next year's 4 playoff teams would consist of USC, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and Miami
Mar 27, 2014 11:37am
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Al Bundy

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Mar 27, 2014 11:54 AM
Mohican00;1596930 wrote:One of the issues is that if student employees are extended scholarships they would probably be considered taxable wages. My guess is that they would receive the employee discount on tuition if this were to go through.

On a side note, heard something funny on Colin where someone tweeted that next year's 4 playoff teams would consist of USC, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and Miami
If the ruling stays where it is now and only private schools can pay their players, private schools could have a huge advantage in a short period of time.
Mar 27, 2014 11:54am
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queencitybuckeye

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Mar 27, 2014 11:59 AM
Mohican00;1596930 wrote: On a side note, heard something funny on Colin where someone tweeted that next year's 4 playoff teams would consist of USC, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and Miami
Sorry, I'm slow today, don't get it.
Mar 27, 2014 11:59am
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Mohican00

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Mar 27, 2014 12:06 PM
queencitybuckeye;1596933 wrote:Sorry, I'm slow today, don't get it.
Getting paid to play football would appeal to more players, so the private institutions this would affect would recruit substantially better
Mar 27, 2014 12:06pm
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lhslep134

why so serious?

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Mar 27, 2014 12:10 PM
Con_Alma;1596929 wrote:This would be a large amount of tax based on the value of educational services received. How in the world would these kids be able to pay that tax?
They would be taxed on the money they receive from the school. So the school would give them (you would think) enough money to cover their costs + taxes.
Mar 27, 2014 12:10pm
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Con_Alma

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Mar 27, 2014 12:13 PM
Why would they not be taxed on the entire benefit they received like you and me would be?
Mar 27, 2014 12:13pm
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BoatShoes

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Mar 27, 2014 12:59 PM
Con_Alma;1596940 wrote:Why would they not be taxed on the entire benefit they received like you and me would be?
If the aid received by college football players is deemed compensation for services rendered yes. Unambiguously falls within section 61 of the IRC.
Mar 27, 2014 12:59pm
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lhslep134

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Mar 27, 2014 1:03 PM
Con_Alma;1596940 wrote:Why would they not be taxed on the entire benefit they received like you and me would be?
Because the only benefit they'd be receiving would be money. They then use the money to pay for the education, taxes, athletic expenses, etc. What is this additional benefit you speak of?
Mar 27, 2014 1:03pm
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Belly35

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Mar 27, 2014 1:16 PM
Take and throw Title IX out the window ....
Mar 27, 2014 1:16pm
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like_that

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Mar 27, 2014 1:30 PM
Belly35;1596962 wrote:Take and throw Title IX out the window ....
Which would be amazing. Hope this happens.

Also, I would to see WGH's opinion on pro athletes if this trickles down to public schools. LOL.
Mar 27, 2014 1:30pm
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Con_Alma

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Mar 27, 2014 1:33 PM
lhslep134;1596956 wrote:Because the only benefit they'd be receiving would be money. They then use the money to pay for the education, taxes, athletic expenses, etc. What is this additional benefit you speak of?

Ahhh, I see. I didn't understand that the educational services were not going to be provided without payment. I understand your explanation now. Thank you.

The additional benefit I was referring to was the educational services.
Mar 27, 2014 1:33pm
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thavoice

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Mar 27, 2014 1:37 PM
Gotta make sure they keep up on their union dues and initiation.

I remember when I started working at UPS part time years ago when they said the initiation fee was like $200 but "you dont have to pay that up front, they will take it out of your check in increments along with your monthly contribution".

I fucking hated that. One week a month it seemed like you worked for nothing.


but i digress
Mar 27, 2014 1:37pm