Mohican00;1597559 wrote:Couple of things....

Second, as an athlete there's a pretty linear trail in going from amateur, amateur athlete, and sometimes going professional and that means going to college. What leverage do they have if they want to pursue an athletic career? I mean sure there's some semi-pro shit that would supplant going to college but more than likely you would not be better of

That's a problem with the NFL, not college. NFL is who dictates when they can play in the league. Universities shouldn't be punished for that.

Mohican00;1597575 wrote:The 123 schools in the NCAA’s Football Bowl Subdivision cleared $1.3 billion on $3.2 billion in revenue in the fiscal year ended June 2013, according to data schools submitted to the U.S. Department of Education. Even Northwestern's football team made $8 million profit last year. Highest paid employee at the school? Pat Fitzgerald.

Whole athletic program in the red? Cut the sports that lost money. Title IX? Fuck it, go to court. You're a business. Not enough? Reduce inflated salaries

So fuck everybody that actually wants to play sports for fun while attending college, so that a few can make bank.

Awesome! : thumbup:

WebFire;1597578 wrote:That's a problem with the NFL, not college. NFL is who dictates when they can play in the league. Universities shouldn't be punished for that.

looking at sports as a whole, not necessarily football or basketball and it's still not fair to the athlete. But yeah, that's another issue which is why I stated have the incoming recruit sign a 3-year commitment

WebFire;1597576 wrote:Obviously I do, and it's completely irrelevant. You are saying cash is the only way to get "paid". Not true.

So it's fair to pay players with "compensation" while they generate millions for their school and a player doesn't see scratch?

WebFire;1597580 wrote:So fuck everybody that actually wants to play sports for fun while attending college, so that a few can make bank.

Awesome! : thumbup:

Admittedly a little harsh but restructuring would need to happen. There are significant expenses, IMO, that could be cut so that paying student athletes doesn't undermine a department's profitability.

edit - learn to multi-quote. This is ridiculous

Mohican00;1597585 wrote:So it's fair to pay players with "compensation" while they generate millions for their school and a player doesn't see scratch?

What any employee is worth is what they can get in the marketplace, and has exactly zero to do with the amount of revenue generated by their employer.

queencitybuckeye;1597595 wrote:What any employee is worth is what they can get in the marketplace, and has exactly zero to do with the amount of revenue generated by their employer.

Why wouldn't their value be performance based in which they generate revenue for their employer?

Mohican00;1597585 wrote:
edit - learn to multi-quote. This is ridiculous

Sorry, I tend to read and react, rather than read the whole thread and respond to bits.

Mohican00;1597585 wrote:So it's fair to pay players with "compensation" while they generate millions for their school and a player doesn't see scratch?

Ok, I'm fine with paying them the value of the scholarship. But then they have to pay for school like everyone else.

Mohican00;1597600 wrote:Why wouldn't their value be performance based in which they generate revenue for their employer?

Because that's not how a market economy works.

One issue is what percentage of the revenue generated by a major college football team is attributable to the players as opposed to the program itself?

queencitybuckeye;1597604 wrote:Because that's not how a market economy works.

One issue is what percentage of the revenue generated by a major college football team is attributable to the players as opposed to the program itself?

Employers pay employees on different scales all the time. Why couldn't they do that with athletes? You have metrics (both individual and team based) that can be established on a yearly basis. There would be a base rate that would presumably differ by school, and I know you're saying that the athletes would only be worth what the market sets their value at, but there is a value there and it fluctuates based on the program/team/individual.

Thing is, this is coming and it will have to be sorted out. I'm of the opinion like Jay Bilas that this goes on all the time and isn't the huge revamping of college athletics people are making it out to be

Mohican00;1597609 wrote:Employers pay employees on different scales all the time. Why couldn't they do that with athletes? You have metrics (both individual and team based) that can be established on a yearly basis. There would be a base rate that would presumably differ by school, and I know you're saying that the athletes would only be worth what the market sets their value at, but there is a value there and it fluctuates based on the program/team/individual.

Thing is, this is coming and it will have to be sorted out. I'm of the opinion like Jay Bilas that this goes on all the time and isn't the huge revamping of college athletics people are making it out to be

LOL

I'm actually with the person who said drop all scholarships and pay them a market wage based on performance. They also are now responsible to pay for their tuition, health care, food, housing, coaching, personal training, airfare, clothing, tutors, taxes, etc.

I'm betting a lot of them end up on the streets and they'll still be crying.

sleeper;1597613 wrote:I'm actually with the person who said drop all scholarships and pay them a market wage based on performance. They also are now responsible to pay for their tuition, health care, food, housing, coaching, personal training, airfare, clothing, tutors, taxes, etc.

I'm betting a lot of them end up on the streets and they'll still be crying.

Do they get to hike to school in 3 ft of snow too, grandpa?

Treat em like employees, pay them accordingly

Mohican00;1597618 wrote:Do they get to hike to school in 3 ft of snow too, grandpa?

Treat em like employees, pay them accordingly

They are paid accordingly. Stop crying.

sleeper;1597621 wrote:They are paid accordingly. Stop crying.

Crying? I'm in favor for this - it's going to happen.

Now those who feel goddamned entitled college kids shouldn't benefit from the money they help generate while being treated like full time employees....that's being a little ass sore

sleeper;1597613 wrote:I'm actually with the person who said drop all scholarships and pay them a market wage based on performance. They also are now responsible to pay for their tuition, health care, food, housing, coaching, personal training, airfare, clothing, tutors, taxes, etc.

I'm betting a lot of them end up on the streets and they'll still be crying.

i guarantee they'd be driving Escalades and wearin' bling.

Mohican00;1597624 wrote:Crying? I'm in favor for this - it's going to happen.

Now those who feel goddamned entitled college kids shouldn't benefit from the money they help generate while being treated like full time employees....that's being a little ass sore

Dude either shut up or clarify your point, because it's clearly erroneous for you to say they don't benefit.

They just don't benefit as much as they could and guess what, like others said, that happens in other employment situations too.

Mohican00;1597624 wrote:Crying? I'm in favor for this - it's going to happen.

Now those who feel goddamned entitled college kids shouldn't benefit from the money they help generate while being treated like full time employees....that's being a little ass sore

The "full time employees" have their hours of the sport capped at 20 per week.

BTW I don't remember if it was posted or not, but here's the full report

http://www.espn.go.com/pdf/2014/0326/espn_uniondecision.PDF

Al Bundy;1597642 wrote:The "full time employees" have their hours of the sport capped at 20 per week.

Yeah but to be fair athletes are at it more than 20 hours a week, a lot of it is just shielded and therefore not applicable to the CARA requirements.

Al Bundy;1597642 wrote:The "full time employees" have their hours of the sport capped at 20 per week.

read an article

Most directly on point, on p.6 of the ruling, the NLRB states that during the college football season “the players devote 40 to 50 hours per week to football-related activities, including travel to and from their scheduled games.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcedelman/2014/03/27/six-overlooked-aspects-of-the-nlrb-ruling-that-college-athletes-are-employees/

lhslep134;1597641 wrote:Dude either shut up or clarify your point, because it's clearly erroneous for you to say they don't benefit.

They just don't benefit as much as they could and guess what, like others said, that happens in other employment situations too.

hyperbole - I know they currently benefit from it

And I don't give a fuck if it happens in other situations, they are doing something about it. Good for them

Mohican00;1597660 wrote: And I don't give a fuck if it happens in other situations, they are doing something about it. Good for them

Clearly you do, because you're calling people who compare their situation to other contractual situations "ass sore"

Tiernan;1597632 wrote:i guarantee they'd be driving Escalades and wearin' bling.

Damn I agree with you on this.

Most of you are just going off on a tangent about this. Very few schools could actually afford to pay their players any significant amount of money beyond their scholarship value and it is even more ridiculous to suggest that giving that value in cash to 18-year-old kids is going to be spent wisely, no matter what their upbringing.

The whole reason this has come about is that as the NCAA has become a cash generating machine, rather than an advocate for student athletes, the relationship between itself and the players has become abusive. In order to solve the competitive balance issues that have occurred since big-money has entered the picture, the NCAA rulebook has exploded and become unfairly restrictive to it's students athletes. While every one else is getting money, the competitive balance issues have been balanced largely on the backs of the student athletes.

Student athletes should be able to get paid a couple of hundred dollars to work a charitable event without fear of NCAA sanctions or suspensions. Moreover schools should not have to spend millions of dollars to comply with an NCAA rulebook that is as thick as War and Peace and is it even harder to read and understand. Penalties for violations need to be clearly specified, appropriate for the violation, and evenly enforced.

unionizatipn is not in anyone's interest, but it is the only avenue that the students have , as the dimwits at the ncaa are clueless. Like most people in this country, they think that problems are solved by enacting another law and increase penalties.... When the solution here is just the opposite.

Al Bundy;1597642 wrote:The "full time employees" have their hours of the sport capped at 20 per week.

Which is nonsense, per sworn testimony, and common knowledge.