HitsRus;1597325 wrote:That's a start. You don't need to actually play the players and bust the athletic budget...you simply need to remove restrictions that make it unfair. A player could and should be allowed to make money on their celebrity that the NCAA exploits. A common sense limit on that can be applied...but it should NOT be ZERO and violation punishments need to be codified and evenly enforced.

This.

BoatShoes;1597480 wrote:This is the easiest answer in my opinion. Keep the current student aid packages but just allow them to profit off of the licensing of their image, autographs, sales of their personal property like trophies, etc. This will make it so that the amount of money athletes earn is in proportion to their "talent" or fame or what have you....i.e. Aaron Craft will command more profit potential than Trey McDonald.

I'm with this, but I still think it needs to be capped at an annual limit. Otherwise you'd have boosters just dropping big stacks at schools just to get players to play there and we'd have only 4-5 teams every year with any shot at a title.

Mohican00;1597366 wrote:What? So it's ok to deny personal liberties for the sake of college football?

I love cfb, but to say that an individual cannot sell something that has a demand to maintain the sanctity of amateur athletics is ludicrous. You cannot deny that to anyone

This.

sleeper;1597483 wrote:I'm with this, but I still think it needs to be capped at an annual limit. Otherwise you'd have boosters just dropping big stacks at schools just to get players to play there and we'd have only 4-5 teams every year with any shot at a title.

Yea I'm sure there could be a reasonable cap and even with a cap it would be way better than the current scenario and it would provide money to the kids through a market system rather than through the NCAA and the Universities.

sleeper;1597456 wrote:And your job can be terminated at day 1 if they want. I also can't do whatever I want at my current job; for example I'm restricted from using my company name in marketing any side business that I start or utilizing any tools learned on my current job for that side business. It's part of my employment contract and I follow it, despite giving up personal liberties, because they pay me for it. College athletes get paid and the deal they get is VERY GOOD.

Football players at Ohio State get a $1,200 a month stipend if they live off campus which is enough to lease a super nice car and live in a swanky apartment; and that's only the stuff on the books.

LOL... That $1200 is their room and board stipend as part of their a scholly.... If they live on campus they get a room and food in the university dining facilities. If they live off campus then they have to rent an apt. and buy food... And they only get that while school is in session.

HitsRus;1597488 wrote:LOL... That $1200 is their room and board stipend as part of their a scholly.... If they live on campus they get a room and food in the university dining facilities. If they live off campus then they have to rent an apt. and buy food... And they only get that while school is in session.

If they don't want an extra $1200 for playing a game, don't take the deal. There are hundreds of others who would be more than happy to take that deal in addition to everything else that they get.

sleeper;1597481 wrote:You can call them whatever you want. They are still being compensated for their efforts; I'm not sure what you are arguing but you sound like a moron either way.

I know it's semantics, and yes they do get compensation, but not invoicing someone tuition and a $1200 stipend (which Hits already clarified on why that's bogus) doesn't exactly cut it.

lol, college athletes are poor because they made the decision to go to college

HitsRus;1597488 wrote:LOL... That $1200 is their room and board stipend as part of their a scholly.... If they live on campus they get a room and food in the university dining facilities. If they live off campus then they have to rent an apt. and buy food... And they only get that while school is in session.

You do realize that $1,200 a month in Columbus OH is a shit ton of money right? This is why most cars in the parking lot at the athletic facilities are super luxury cars like Lexus, Mercedes and BMWs because you only need a couple hundred for an APT and food is dirt cheap as well. These players are SPOILED and most of them know it.

Mohican00;1597494 wrote:I know it's semantics, and yes they do get compensation, but not invoicing someone tuition and a $1200 stipend (which Hits already clarified on why that's bogus) doesn't exactly cut it.

lol, college athletes are poor because they made the decision to go to college

Yeah because $1,200 a month is such a shit deal. Grow up.

sleeper;1597516 wrote:Yeah because $1,200 a month is such a shit deal. Grow up.

why is it ok for you to decide what's an ample amount for a student athlete to live on? I don't feel the need to tell others they have enough income, stop whining. Even better, why is it ok that said student athlete generates millions of dollars for his/her performance on the field and doesn't get to see a dime of that?

$1200 a month is a pittance

Mohican00;1597517 wrote:why is it ok for you to decide what's an ample amount for a student athlete to live on? Even better, why is it ok that said student athlete generates millions of dollars for his/her performance on the field and doesn't get to see a dime of that?

$1200 a month is a pittance

I don't have to decide. The market already has and thousands of players have accepted the contract.

Again, they are getting compensated for there efforts so they do see a 'dime' of that. How dense are you seriously? Also, most programs DO NOT make a profit and actually lose money on their athletic programs; do you understand the difference between revenue and profit? How old are you?

sleeper;1597519 wrote:
Again, they are getting compensated for there efforts

Their

I'd think you'd be the first booster in line to drop off your stack o' cash at TOSU Sleepy. You're always telling us how TOSU paved the way for you to make millions, why wouldn't you return some of the favor?

Tiernan;1597527 wrote:I'd think you'd be the first booster in line to drop off your stack o' cash at TOSU Sleepy. You're always telling us how TOSU paved the way for you to make millions, why wouldn't you return some of the favor?

I already give money back to the University.

sleeper;1597519 wrote:I don't have to decide. The market already has and thousands of players have accepted the contract.

Again, they are getting compensated for there efforts so they do see a 'dime' of that. How dense are you seriously? Also, most programs DO NOT make a profit and actually lose money on their athletic programs; do you understand the difference between revenue and profit? How old are you?

No they don't actually see a dime of that - not invoicing does not equal revenue. The NCAA tournament last year generated over $1 billion in tv ad money and none of that went to the players. That is wrong. And I also know about them not making a profit because they pay the university the scholarship amounts, pay each other exorbitant salaries and put tons of money into facilities. ALL of the sacrifice is made on the part of the athletes.

How old are you?

sorry sweettits, I'm not interested in a relationship

Sleeper is right. Offer and Acceptance. If this was a raw deal, where's the gun to these kids heads forcing them to sign? They are going into this knowing full well what they're receiving, and what the school and NCAA are getting. My company makes x^n more than me, but I'm ok with that. Because I agreed to do a job at a certain rate (job is interchangeable here with task, service, etc...). The avg value of their scholarship is going up and up each year as cost of education rapidly outpaces inflation. And 99% of D1 athletes could never even dream of coming out of high school into the Pros, so spare me the "they can't go make a living" right away thing. Unionizing them will literally cause more problems than it will solve.

If you want to talk about increased stipends or guaranteed scholarships, that's cool. But you should be able to do it without opening pandoras box. I really don't think though that what they receive is a raw deal. The amount of benefit these guys get (not just the free education and room and board) is well above the median income in the US. If they don't think that the exposure and training, along with the free education and room and board is worth it, don't play football in college. It's that simple. Go lift weights for 3 years, move to another country even, or play Arena League for 3 years. Or (gasp) just go be a normal student. Or sell cars. Or work at McDonalds. Or sell drugs and go to jail. The world is your oyster man... I just can't take seriously someone telling me college football players are getting screwed. Can they get marginally a better deal? I guess. Is it worth blowing it up? Nope.

The players offer a service in exchange for a something of value. Period. Quit being so dense about it Mohican. My employers pays 80% of my health insurance. I never see a dime of that. But it's still considered part of my compensation.

Mohican00;1597533 wrote:No they don't actually see a dime of that - not invoicing does not equal revenue. The NCAA tournament last year generated over $1 billion in tv ad money and none of that went to the players. That is wrong. And I also know about them not making a profit because they pay the university the scholarship amounts, pay each other exorbitant salaries and put tons of money into facilities. ALL of the sacrifice is made on the part of the athletes.



sorry sweettits, I'm not interested in a relationship

Okay so you don't know the difference between revenue and profit. Please grow up and educate yourself. You sound like a fucking moron.

Couple of things....

First, to clarify, the NW players aren't looking to get paid by the university. The specific goals of CAPA include guaranteeing coverage of sports-related medical expenses for current and former players, ensuring better procedures to reduce head injuries, and potentially letting players pursue commercial sponsorships. This decision only furthers the possibility that players can get paid.

Second, as an athlete there's a pretty linear trail in going from amateur, amateur athlete, and sometimes going professional and that means going to college. What leverage do they have if they want to pursue an athletic career? I mean sure there's some semi-pro shit that would supplant going to college but more than likely you would not be better off, and as sleeper has taught us all, being poor is only because of one's poor decisions (in this case not taking the scholly and going to college). And who the fuck looks at this as the schools are the victim? "Well the athletes knew what they were getting in to...." fuck that nonsense. The schools need the athletes to generate their huge profits and, best part, don't have to pay out much while capitalizing on their effort. Win-win for them. Hey and they also get a chunk of the sale of team jerseys with player numbers and the players see none of that - lol.

This isn't going to blow up anything, it'll just right the ship of a fucked up situation. Agree to contract with the player upon singing with a school of his/her choice. You have to stay in school for 3 years, behavioral clause, academic clause, here's your scholly, your base pay along with performance based incentives (capped too).

Well I hope you get paid too on top of that

WebFire;1597545 wrote:The players offer a service in exchange for a something of value. Period. Quit being so dense about it Mohican. My employers pays 80% of my health insurance. I never see a dime of that. But it's still considered part of my compensation.

well I hope you get paid too on top of that

sleeper;1597555 wrote:Okay so you don't know the difference between revenue and profit. Please grow up and educate yourself. You sound like a fucking moron.

What the fuck are you even on about revenue and profit? At least bring some credibility to a sports discussion by bringing up points related to the topic instead of just "you're fucking stupid" while providing no astute counter of your own. "They get enough" is pretty rich coming from a guy who brags about how much money he has and how he does little to nothing for work

Mohican00;1597559 wrote:Couple of things....

First, to clarify, the NW players aren't looking to get paid by the university. The specific goals of CAPA include guaranteeing coverage of sports-related medical expenses for current and former players, ensuring better procedures to reduce head injuries, and potentially letting players pursue commercial sponsorships. This decision only furthers the possibility that players can get paid.

Second, as an athlete there's a pretty linear trail in going from amateur, amateur athlete, and sometimes going professional and that means going to college. What leverage do they have if they want to pursue an athletic career? I mean sure there's some semi-pro shit that would supplant going to college but more than likely you would not be better off, and as sleeper has taught us all, being poor is only because of one's poor decisions (in this case not taking the scholly and going to college). And who the fuck looks at this as the schools are the victim? "Well the athletes knew what they were getting in to...." fuck that nonsense. The schools need the athletes to generate their huge profits and, best part, don't have to pay out much while capitalizing on their effort. Win-win for them. Hey and they also get a chunk of the sale of team jerseys with player numbers and the players see none of that - lol.

This isn't going to blow up anything, it'll just right the ship of a fucked up situation. Agree to contract with the player upon singing with a school of his/her choice. You have to stay in school for 3 years, behavioral clause, academic clause, here's your scholly, your base pay along with performance based incentives (capped too).

what huge profits are the schools making? most athletic departments operate in the red. The NCAA isn't a school

derek bomar;1597564 wrote:what huge profits are the schools making? most athletic departments operate in the red. The NCAA isn't a school

Here's 25: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-25-schools-that-make-the-most-money-in-college-football-2013-1?op=1

The 123 schools in the NCAA’s Football Bowl Subdivision cleared $1.3 billion on $3.2 billion in revenue in the fiscal year ended June 2013, according to data schools submitted to the U.S. Department of Education. Even Northwestern's football team made $8 million profit last year. Highest paid employee at the school? Pat Fitzgerald.

Whole athletic program in the red? Cut expenses. Cut the sports that lost money. Title IX? Fuck it, go to court. Not enough? Reduce inflated salaries

Mohican00;1597561 wrote:well I hope you get paid too on top of that

Obviously I do, and it's completely irrelevant. You are saying cash is the only way to get "paid". Not true.