Manhattan Buckeye;1136350 wrote:"So, if a group of world-class basketball players went up against world-class soccer players in a game of soccer then the soccer players would win. If a group of world-class football athletes went up against world-class soccer players in a game of soccer then the soccer players would win. If a group of world-class soccer players played world-class basketball players in a game of basketball, then the basketball players would win."

Agree with all of this. I just think the basketball players would embarrass themselves less than "Messi" on the NBA court which would be an absolute joke. He wouldn't even be able to do anything. I know Laley took back his 20 point comment so I give him credit for that, but there's no way in the world a soccer team competes at all or even appears to be playing the same sport as the Boston Celtics - I don't care if it is full of Steve Nash's brothers.

If you get past your prejudices you'd get my ultimate point, soccer is an "accessible" sport, that is why 3rd world countries like Argentina (which is probably more 2nd world) and Cameroon are good at it. It doesn't make it better or worse than other sports. But it is accessible.

Basketball is "accessible" then. All you need is some form of basket, or imaginary basket, and a ball... football is "accessible" because all you need is a ball... It doesn't even have to be oblong.

That argument is pretty stupid.

Just because a sport is "accessible" doesn't make it easy. Seriously, go outside tomorrow and try some advanced dribbling/moving around with a soccer ball and see how well you fare. It's more than just "kicking" a ball.

And the "disrupting" thing is so hilarious. If "disrupting" was so fucking easy, why can't PROFESSIONAL SOCCER TEAMS/PLAYERS disrupt teams/players like Barca and Lionel Messi? Or Real Madrid and Ronaldo?

The opposing teams should just "disrupt" all game instead of getting their asses beaten.

Manhattan Buckeye;1136343 wrote:"Though you seem to be taking things much more personally than any of the "soccer weenies" you have tried to rile up, so maybe it was a backfire."

I thought you hadn't read the thread. They seem a bit more riled up than me.

Will you learn how to use the damn quote function already?

DeadliestWarrior34;1136372 wrote:Will you learn how to use the damn quote function already?

I only do it when I respond to the whole post, otherwise I like to use the quotes so I can address different posts (and different users), such as this:

"If I recall correctly, he was like a cross country runner or something in HS which brings a whole other level of lulz to his stance."

Yeah, I was a cross country runner and still run competitively, I enjoy the sport. Unlike the rest of the diaper wearers here I didn't go nuts on this insult to the sport because:

1) I don't care what he thinks about running, I have thicker skin than that.

2) It is true, running is very accessible. Rules are simple. Run until you get to "X" and be faster than the other guy. Anyone can run a 5K, 10K, half or full....doing it well takes a lot of work and time and quite a bit of sacrifice, but until you get to the world class level where genetics mean much it is something anyone can do - its still enjoyable to people who are into it.

3) Many athletes, soccer players, basketball players, baseball players, etc. that are more athletically gifted than me could probably beat me even at my best time if they have the ability to train for a particular race. It doesn't bother me, it is a fact.

Yet, for some reason when someone says even the slightest negative thing about soccer, people fly off the handle, make up arguments that other people didn't make, and act like they have the world's largest chip on their shoulder. What is it about soccer that makes people do this?

I havent read this entire thread for obvious reasons so this may have been stated already. It doesnt matter how athletic someone is, if they dont have a clue how 2 play soccer its not going 2 matter. The difference between some semi althletic nobobdy and Lebron in a game of soccer isnt going 2 be as significant as some college soccer player and one of the worlds best. As it has been stated numerous times, neither side would come close 2 disrupting ANYTHING against the pros of the sport. This thread makes my eyes bleed.

Manhattan Buckeye;1136350 wrote:"So, if a group of world-class basketball players went up against world-class soccer players in a game of soccer then the soccer players would win. If a group of world-class football athletes went up against world-class soccer players in a game of soccer then the soccer players would win. If a group of world-class soccer players played world-class basketball players in a game of basketball, then the basketball players would win."

Agree with all of this. I just think the basketball players would embarrass themselves less than "Messi" on the NBA court which would be an absolute joke. He wouldn't even be able to do anything. I know Laley took back his 20 point comment so I give him credit for that, but there's no way in the world a soccer team competes at all or even appears to be playing the same sport as the Boston Celtics - I don't care if it is full of Steve Nash's brothers.

If you get past your prejudices you'd get my ultimate point, soccer is an "accessible" sport, that is why 3rd world countries like Argentina (which is probably more 2nd world) and Cameroon are good at it. It doesn't make it better or worse than other sports. But it is accessible.

There are no "prejudices" toward soccer other than I think it insanely ludicrous to think that ANYONE can be able to compete at soccer regardless of their level (as long as they are competing with similarly level soccer players). If that is a "prejudice" then I have one. It's a two-way street though, Mr. Disrupter. Your experience doesn't mean diddly-squat in this argument. It doesn't prove a thing. And just because soccer is "accessible" doesn't mean anyone can still be successful at it.

If it so "accessible" and "easy," then why haven't our international teams haven't competed better than what they have? It's so accessible and easy. They should be able to at least disrupt enough to win a World Cup or get farther than what they've been able to.

Manhattan Buckeye;1136387 wrote:Yet, for some reason when someone says even the slightest negative thing about soccer, people fly off the handle, make up arguments that other people didn't make, and act like they have the world's largest chip on their shoulder. What is it about soccer that makes people do this?

It's not the fact that it's negative towards soccer.

It's the asinine comments that say soccer is "accessible" so that means anyone athletic can compete and be successful. It's the asinine comments about "disrupt" and anything about it in the form of competition. It's the asinine comments of thinking soccer is so easy that ANY world-class non-soccer athlete can step on the field with a world-class soccer athlete and be able to "hold their own."

Say all you want about "grass fairy," or soccer being a "Commie" sport, or that it's for girls...whatever. I think people can respect running (except now for you and the other running idiot on here). Other than you two, running has the respect of people. We all know it's hard. I hate running. I despise it with everything I have. But I respect it because it is tough. I had a good friend who attempted an ultramarathon...no way Jose for me!

Rotinaj;1136394 wrote:It doesnt matter how athletic someone is, if they dont have a clue how 2 play soccer its not going 2 matter. The difference between some semi althletic nobobdy and Lebron in a game of soccer isnt going 2 be as significant as some college soccer player and one of the worlds best. As it has been stated numerous times, neither side would come close 2 disrupting ANYTHING against the pros of the sport.

I am sure there'll be some ridiculous response to this from MB. But good post. Now, bang your head against a wall like the rest of us.

Wow, the fool is still at it.

"Disruptive" is now "accessible" and still no meaningful points made.:laugh:

"If it so "accessible" and "easy," then why haven't our international teams haven't competed better than what they have? "

Because in the U.S., our athletes don't play the sport...we celebrate a 14 year old Freddy Adu. We also don't try to out China ping pong or badminton, which I watch on a daily basis.

Manhattan Buckeye;1136453 wrote:"If it so "accessible" and "easy," then why haven't our international teams haven't competed better than what they have? "

Because in the U.S., our athletes don't play the sport...we celebrate a 14 year old Freddy Adu. We also don't try to out China ping pong or badminton, which I watch on a daily basis.

This has nothing to do with what you were originally saying...

Keep back pedaling though.

like_that;1136479 wrote:This has nothing to do with what you were originally saying...

Keep back pedaling though.

I was responding to the question. There was no backpedaling. In the U.S. very few people grow up dreaming to be soccer players, at least not compared to the NFL, NBA, MLB and in some areas the NHL. Soccer is a team sport in a country where playing on the professional level isn't always lucrative. Either you play in one of the big 4 (I'll include hockey) team sports, or you're better off working at an individual sport like Track or Swimming.

Am I wrong?

Manhattan Buckeye;1136488 wrote:I was responding to the question. There was no backpedaling. In the U.S. very few people grow up dreaming to be soccer players, at least not compared to the NFL, NBA, MLB and in some areas the NHL. Soccer is a team sport in a country where playing on the professional level isn't always lucrative. Either you play in one of the big 4 (I'll include hockey) team sports, or you're better off working at an individual sport like Track or Swimming.

Am I wrong?

What does this have to do with NBA all stars being able to play and disrupt the game against world class soccer players?

I think I understand what MB is saying, and I actually agree that our best athletes arent playing soccer like in other countries. I also understand where he is coming from in saying that you can disrupt soccer within the rules of the game, where it isnt quite as easy, or possible in other sports. I get all that, and agree with it.

What I disagree with, and here is why, is that just because the NBA has the best athletes that they can compete with soccer players and not vice-versa.

First part, about our athletes: Soccer is roughly 25 years old in america though, it is over 200 years old in Europe and close to that in South America. Give it some time and I think our that our athletes will start playing soccer as well.

Second part, about disrupting: I dont know how effective anyone is going to be trying to disrupts soccer players, if they are of similar skill level. Ive already mentioned how just taking similar accolades in America doesnt quite work, because our all state bball players are MUCH closer to NBA than our all state soccer are to Euro success, same with NFL etc. So while its a fair argument on the outside, it doesnt quite work. I would bet (with no proof of course), that the 14 year old basketball players in Spain look a lut dumber playing soccer than the soccer players do playing the 14 year old basketball players.

Also, how disruptive is really being disruptive. If you hardly touch the ball and lose 20-0, but did manage to stop a few attacks, is it really disruptive? You are so far from actually playing the game and competing, it is laughable. Now, go to basketball. While I cant be disruptive within the rules, without actually playing basketball, I believe you can still just ignore trying to win and frustrate NBA players. Hold the ball, and give up possession. Use all your fouls. Sag on defense and force a few jump shots. You may only score a few fluke baskets, but you were just as disruptive and got blown out just as much.

Third part, about competing. If you literally have no shot of winning, and are not competative in the slightest, whats the difference? So you kicked it away a few times and ran off some clock??? Ok, well you made a basket and I just let the ball sit there for 3 seconds, threw it to the ref, he back to me, and then held it for 4.9 seconds before I inbound. Thats about 8 seconds plus the 9.9 to get over, plus the 10.8 to hold (with a 1 second dribble in between). So I was disruptive, without trying to do anything to score, and still look retarded and get blown out. Same concept.

Unless you can consistently make a tackle and kick the ball away, you arent disrupting a soccer player. And you cant consistently get the ball away without fouling (and getting YC then RC). The ball is glued to those guys' feet.

Laley23;1136545 wrote:I think I understand what MB is saying, and I actually agree that our best athletes arent playing soccer like in other countries. I also understand where he is coming from in saying that you can disrupt soccer within the rules of the game, where it isnt quite as easy, or possible in other sports. I get all that, and agree with it.

What I disagree with, and here is why, is that just because the NBA has the best athletes that they can compete with soccer players and not vice-versa.

First part, about our athletes: Soccer is roughly 25 years old in america though, it is over 200 years old in Europe and close to that in South America. Give it some time and I think our that our athletes will start playing soccer as well.

Second part, about disrupting: I dont know how effective anyone is going to be trying to disrupts soccer players, if they are of similar skill level. Ive already mentioned how just taking similar accolades in America doesnt quite work, because our all state bball players are MUCH closer to NBA than our all state soccer are to Euro success, same with NFL etc. So while its a fair argument on the outside, it doesnt quite work. I would bet (with no proof of course), that the 14 year old basketball players in Spain look a lut dumber playing soccer than the soccer players do playing the 14 year old basketball players.

Also, how disruptive is really being disruptive. If you hardly touch the ball and lose 20-0, but did manage to stop a few attacks, is it really disruptive? You are so far from actually playing the game and competing, it is laughable. Now, go to basketball. While I cant be disruptive within the rules, without actually playing basketball, I believe you can still just ignore trying to win and frustrate NBA players. Hold the ball, and give up possession. Use all your fouls. Sag on defense and force a few jump shots. You may only score a few fluke baskets, but you were just as disruptive and got blown out just as much.

Third part, about competing. If you literally have no shot of winning, and are not competative in the slightest, whats the difference? So you kicked it away a few times and ran off some clock??? Ok, well you made a basket and I just let the ball sit there for 3 seconds, threw it to the ref, he back to me, and then held it for 4.9 seconds before I inbound. Thats about 8 seconds plus the 9.9 to get over, plus the 10.8 to hold (with a 1 second dribble in between). So I was disruptive, without trying to do anything to score, and still look retarded and get blown out. Same concept.

Unless you can consistently make a tackle and kick the ball away, you arent disrupting a soccer player. And you cant consistently get the ball away without fouling (and getting YC then RC). The ball is glued to those guys' feet.

An actual smart response, I might not agree with all of it but this was at least thought out well.

It wasn't, MB is stooped, he don't know $&%^ (which even a certain mod bought into).

This is a real argument. Again I agree with some of it, not necessarily all of it.

Manhattan Buckeye;1136584 wrote:An actual smart response, I might not agree with all of it but this was at least thought out well.

It wasn't, MB is stooped, he don't know $&%^ (which even a certain mod bought into).

This is a real argument. Again I agree with some of it, not necessarily all of it.

Yeah, I had a lot in my head last night, but it was 2 in the fucking morning. I wasnt gonna formulate a response like that haha. I treid to go that route, but I was too tired.

We are obviously never going to agree 100%, but I do like these types of threads. Real discussion, for the most part, even though everyone is completely in disagreement lol.

2:00 in the morning, it is midnight my time!

hoops23;1136320 wrote:You're not ****ing with this.

[video=youtube;CJbuREBHs8U][/video]

Messi is filthy

Manhattan Buckeye;1136584 wrote:An actual smart response, I might not agree with all of it but this was at least thought out well.

It wasn't, MB is stooped, he don't know $&%^ (which even a certain mod bought into).

This is a real argument. Again I agree with some of it, not necessarily all of it.

I'm still waiting on a "real argument" from you.

This "disruptive" and "accessible" talk is a joke.

OSH;1136649 wrote:I'm still waiting on a "real argument" from you.

This "disruptive" and "accessible" talk is a joke.

I'm going to have to disappoint you.

The argument is over, you missed it.

The next time "soccer" is mentioned, go at it.

One of my favorite "tricks" in soccer is the Ibrahimovic shot. Skip ahead to it (1:15 in). Simply amazing. I have no idea how someone 6-5 can have feet coordination like that. The Ronaldo and Ronaldinho stuff is cool too.

[video=youtube;CQJg8lMk3d0][/video]

Manhattan Buckeye;1136387 wrote:I only do it when I respond to the whole post, otherwise I like to use the quotes so I can address different posts (and different users), such as this

You can still do that while using the quote function. 4k+ posts, time to learn.

Manhatten is a retard. That is the only way to describe his rambling on the Killers and now this. Basketball players skill is derived by the hands, while soccer is all about the feet. You are retarded if you think they could come in and disrupt it. Hell I could go into a bball game and disrupt it just by being a jackass and playing annoying defense. If you have athletic ability, you will be able to be involved in the game. To say otherwise is just retarded.

Have you seen football players with no soccer experience play soccer? Basketball players? It's hilarious how awkward they look when they are trying to gain posession with their feet. You have to be one of the biggest douchebags on this site. That's saying a lot too

also, kudos to laley for absolutely pwning manhatten. "i wont intramural sports and I listen to the killers, I'm the fucking man!!!"

DeyDurkie5;1136767 wrote:Manhatten is a retard. That is the only way to describe his rambling on the Killers and now this. Basketball players skill is derived by the hands, while soccer is all about the feet. You are retarded if you think they could come in and disrupt it. Hell I could go into a bball game and disrupt it just by being a jackass and playing annoying defense. If you have athletic ability, you will be able to be involved in the game. To say otherwise is just retarded.

Have you seen football players with no soccer experience play soccer? Basketball players? It's hilarious how awkward they look when they are trying to gain posession with their feet. You have to be one of the biggest douchebags on this site. That's saying a lot too

Luckily for MB, failhook and zwick still post here. So, he can't be THE biggest douche on this site.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1136617 wrote:Messi is filthy

Dude is the man. He also rarely dives and always plays through fouls which is a bit rare considering he plays for Barca.

Automatik;1136779 wrote:Dude is the man. He also rarely dives and always plays through fouls which is a bit rare considering he plays for Barca.

The best line-ups for Barca are when Pedro, Busquets and Sanchez are on the bench (as well as injured Villa). Cause Messi, Iniesta, Thiago, Xavi, Keita and Cuenta/whoever dont dive. Those are the attacking players. Iniesta is the closest to a diver out of those guys, but he doesnt really dive. Just goes down when fouled and wont play through it.