Manhattan Buckeye;1136322 wrote:No I'm not, I'm only doing it against whatever "flight" soccer players at my athletic level - which I've done. I'm not as fast as the premier guys, and never claimed to be. Where have I even began to state that? I'm not a world class athlete.

I wasn't talking about "you" per se, I was referring to the NBA argument as "you"... So to keep it simple, I'll say NBA players wouldn't touch the ball either.

'As Laley (I think it was him) said, world-class athletes cannot "disrupt" Messi...how can you? "

When did I say I could? I'm getting sick of people putting arguments in my mouth. I never said I could. Read the thread. Is your stance so weak you can't even have a decent conversation and debate without lying? What was the worst thing I've said that was so "trolling?"

Manhattan Buckeye;1136324 wrote:'As Laley (I think it was him) said, world-class athletes cannot "disrupt" Messi...how can you? "

When did I say I could? I'm getting sick of people putting arguments in my mouth. I never said I could. Read the thread. Is your stance so weak you can't even have a decent conversation and debate without lying? What was the worst thing I've said that was so "trolling?"

Do you have multiple personalities? If you answer with "yes," it explains everything.

Manhattan Buckeye;1136318 wrote:
Yes, and after 7 times I get a 1 and 1 free throw and after 10 a full two, while after 5 fouls (6 in the NBA) you are disqualified from the game.

So? I was disruptive!

Again, who cares if its legal or not. If I hold the ball for 14.9 seconds per possession, 4.9 to inbound (not counting the time it takes me to pick up the ball). And you score each time down the court, a 2 pt shot, and it takes lets say 10 seconds (this is rounding up to make up for me not grabbing the ball right away to inbound). So that is 4 points per minute, or nearly 200 pts a game and 0 for me. A blowout. But I was disruptive and probably pissed you off by not even trying.

In soccer, it would take roughly 1 minute to score a goal per possession. Take a few away for you getting the ball and just kicking it.

BTW, the clock continues, but if the referee was going by the rules (30 seconds of stoppage for each goal and sub, 1 minute for each injury...more for serious) you would have to play closer to 120 minutes, not 90. But its a blowout so they would just end at 90.

Either way, the game is not close, nor fun. You arent being any more disruptive than me in basketball, just that you are technically doing it legally.

hoops23;1136326 wrote:Do you have multiple personalities? If you answer with "yes," it explains everything.

Uh, what?

Manhattan Buckeye;1136324 wrote:'As Laley (I think it was him) said, world-class athletes cannot "disrupt" Messi...how can you? "

When did I say I could? I'm getting sick of people putting arguments in my mouth. I never said I could. Read the thread. Is your stance so weak you can't even have a decent conversation and debate without lying? What was the worst thing I've said that was so "trolling?"

If world-class athletes cannot "disrupt" Messi, then who can? Can you answer that?

There are so many questions I have asked and you have failed to answer them. So that is almost like you not knowing how to carry on a decent conversation and debate. They are simple questions and you cannot answer them.

The "worst thing" you've said that is "trolling," you continuously using the term "disrupt" as a means of saying ANYONE can be competitive if they can "disrupt" a game. That is pathetic.

"In soccer, it would take roughly 1 minute to score a goal per possession. Take a few away for you getting the ball and just kicking it. "

And I'm being irrational. 1 minute per goal. Hmm.

"The "worst thing" you've said that is "trolling," you continuously using the term "disrupt" as a means of saying ANYONE can be competitive if they can "disrupt" a game."

I never said I was trying to be competitive, or try to score.

This is disrupting...so that must mean they are good athletes.

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This guy must've seen a "disrupter" coming...success by the "disrupter!"

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And the best way to "disrupt" and be successful on defense...

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Manhattan Buckeye;1136331 wrote:"The "worst thing" you've said that is "trolling," you continuously using the term "disrupt" as a means of saying ANYONE can be competitive if they can "disrupt" a game."

I never said I was trying to be competitive, or try to score.

Then you aren't playing the game.

Not going to read the whole thread, because I remember this exact same convo going down on another thread, and Manhattan Buckeye looking equally stupid.

If I recall correctly, he was like a cross country runner or something in HS which brings a whole other level of lulz to his stance.

2kool4skool;1136334 wrote:Not going to read the whole thread, because I remember this exact same convo going down on another thread, and Manhattan Buckeye looking equally stupid.

If I recall correctly, he was like a cross country runner or something in HS which brings a whole other level of lulz to his stance.

I'll give you the short story, I explain how someone with no soccer skills can play with a group of people that played soccer for many years and ....make a comparison that it wouldn't happen otherwise in many other sports (read, basketball).

Soccer people go nuts. Soccer is awesome. Soccer is the greatest thing in human history. Accuse me of strawman arguments.

It was the same as the last thread you read, and likewise your input about as helpful.

Here's a collection of your gems from this thread:

Manhattan Buckeye;1135282 wrote:But the facts are still facts. A group of athletic basketball players can hang with soccer stars - if nothing else they can disrupt the game by just kicking the ball down the field, over and over and over again.

NO! There is no "hanging" on by just "disrupting." That is stupid.

Manhattan Buckeye;1135382 wrote:I've played against all-state (Texas) soccer players, they'll beat me every time, but they aren't scoring 20 on me. Not when I'm sending the ball in the other direction every time I get a chance.

Again, this is based on experience. I've pissed off many fraternity brothers with this. Yeah, they'll beat us 3-0, maybe 4-0 on a good day, in basketball we pick our score. And as usual the soccer weenies chime in with their crap....you can DISRUPT the game. Do you even understand the meaning of the term disrupt?

So they do beat you every time? That's cool. But at least you "disrupt" right? Because that means so much. They may beat you on the scoreboard...but you beat them in disruptions because that's what counts!

And I am glad your experience trumps so many others' experiences...

Manhattan Buckeye;1135386 wrote:I don't need to be a quality player. I'm not scoring. I just need to screw up the game and watch the soccer weenies whine...or even get violent.

You "screw up the game?" Oh man...please don't screw the game up too much by getting beat "every time" and losing by at least 3 goals. Man...you got the soccer weenies there!

Manhattan Buckeye;1135413 wrote:If 4-0 is considered waxing, that's one helluva sport.

Good one. That could be like 28-0 in football. That would be considered a good "waxing."

If you think those statements you have made are actually legitimate...then there's no sense in discussing anymore. It's not possible to get any sense into you...

Manhattan Buckeye;1136330 wrote:"In soccer, it would take roughly 1 minute to score a goal per possession. Take a few away for you getting the ball and just kicking it. "

And I'm being irrational. 1 minute per goal. Hmm.

Yes, they would score within a minute if they wanted, on any group of 11 NBA players lol. Messi could do this alone, each time.

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I mean, he was 19 at the time. He is nearly twice as good now (at 24). If Getafe, a top flight Spanish team (La Liga) cant stop Messi, NBA players cant. He can dribble through them all. He wouldnt have to, as when he was triple teamed etc he would just pass to Iniesta, Ronaldo, Rooney, etc and they would score. They could score a goal a minute.

Manhattan Buckeye;1136335 wrote:I'll give you the short story, I explain how someone with no soccer skills can play with a group of people that played soccer for many years and ....make a comparison that it wouldn't happen otherwise in many other sports (read, basketball).

There you go again...

I give a perfectly good example, and one that was BETTER than yours about how a soccer-guy competed with baskeball-guys. Not just that...but it was a level playing field too -- a college soccer player playing with/against college basketball players. My team of chumps beat real college basketball players. Soccer weenie, that's me, was able to knock off these "superior athletes" of college basketball players.

But that experience doesn't mean anything...your experience and story sounds so much better. It's more legitimate to play rec or pickup games with your frat boys and be able to "disrupt."

"So they do beat you every time? That's cool. But at least you "disrupt" right? Because that means so much. They may beat you on the scoreboard...but you beat them in disruptions because that's what counts!"

It counted when we go to the basketball gym and they can't even dribble up the court. Even if we didn't press.

Manhattan Buckeye;1136335 wrote:I'll give you the short story, I explain how someone with no soccer skills can play with a group of people that played soccer for many years and ....make a comparison that it wouldn't happen otherwise in many other sports (read, basketball).

While your anecdotal evidence about your glory days of intramural sports are compelling, they don't necessarily convince me.

Besides, who cares if that's true? You just came into the thread to try and rile up soccer fans using the exact same argument you went through last time. Congrats I guess? Though you seem to be taking things much more personally than any of the "soccer weenies" you have tried to rile up, so maybe it was a backfire.

"I give a perfectly good example, and one that was BETTER than yours about how a soccer-guy competed with baskeball-guys. Not just that...but it was a level playing field too -- a college soccer player playing with/against college basketball players. My team of chumps beat real college basketball players. Soccer weenie, that's me, was able to knock off these "superior athletes" of college basketball players. "

If you say so.

"Though you seem to be taking things much more personally than any of the "soccer weenies" you have tried to rile up, so maybe it was a backfire."

I thought you hadn't read the thread. They seem a bit more riled up than me.

Manhattan Buckeye;1136339 wrote:"So they do beat you every time? That's cool. But at least you "disrupt" right? Because that means so much. They may beat you on the scoreboard...but you beat them in disruptions because that's what counts!"

It counted when we go to the basketball gym and they can't even dribble up the court. Even if we didn't press.

Oh man! You didn't press!

Sheer tactical genius you are!

Manhattan Buckeye;1136339 wrote:"So they do beat you every time? That's cool. But at least you "disrupt" right? Because that means so much. They may beat you on the scoreboard...but you beat them in disruptions because that's what counts!"

It counted when we go to the basketball gym and they can't even dribble up the court. Even if we didn't press.

You were playing with the worst collection of athletes of all time then (or more likely, lying). Ive yet to meet an athlete (let alone all state) that cant dribble a basketball. My 9 year old cousin can dribble a basketball up the court. Thats not even athletic skill lol.

I am a basketball all-star!

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I said we didn't press, I didn't say we didn't pressure the point. These guys were my friends and they were good athletes, but they weren't basketball players. It isn't easy to cross mid-court in 10 seconds against a good defender, even if there isn't a press involved. Ballhandling is a skill that not even top athleticism can help if you aren't sufficiently practiced.

I am just going to break it down here, correct me if I am wrong.

You believe that ANY professional athlete from a sport other than soccer can compete in the game of soccer against professional soccer players. We will make them all equals as well -- so if it is a world-class player in a non-soccer sport then they can compete with world-class soccer players in a game of soccer. If it is other professionals in a non-soccer sport then they can compete with other professional soccer players in a game of soccer and potentially beat them. Your justification in this reasoning is solely based on your single experience(s) of playing soccer against all-state Texas high school soccer players while being in a fraternity and you "disrupting" them.

I believe (and a couple others on here, as well -- I assume) believe that ANY professional athlete of any particular sport would get beat rather handily by other professional athletes in their particular sport. So, if a group of world-class basketball players went up against world-class soccer players in a game of soccer then the soccer players would win. If a group of world-class football athletes went up against world-class soccer players in a game of soccer then the soccer players would win. If a group of world-class soccer players played world-class basketball players in a game of basketball, then the basketball players would win.

Which one makes more sense? Superstars dominating in their specific sport against others of a different sport OR different sports' superstars being able to dominate other sports' superstars. It can even be college v. college OR high school v. high school. We can make all levels equal. It all comes down (in your opinion) that soccer is so easy and less athletic than any other sport -- so that means any other sports' athletes can compete or "disrupt" during a soccer game because they are so much more dominate of species.

Correct me if I misspoke.

"So, if a group of world-class basketball players went up against world-class soccer players in a game of soccer then the soccer players would win. If a group of world-class football athletes went up against world-class soccer players in a game of soccer then the soccer players would win. If a group of world-class soccer players played world-class basketball players in a game of basketball, then the basketball players would win."

Agree with all of this. I just think the basketball players would embarrass themselves less than "Messi" on the NBA court which would be an absolute joke. He wouldn't even be able to do anything. I know Laley took back his 20 point comment so I give him credit for that, but there's no way in the world a soccer team competes at all or even appears to be playing the same sport as the Boston Celtics - I don't care if it is full of Steve Nash's brothers.

If you get past your prejudices you'd get my ultimate point, soccer is an "accessible" sport, that is why 3rd world countries like Argentina (which is probably more 2nd world) and Cameroon are good at it. It doesn't make it better or worse than other sports. But it is accessible.