elbuckeye28;1022289 wrote:No doubt it helps a lot, but I still think it is not AS big as some make it out to be in the long run.

Agreed. It's not like it's going to suddenly count as two in the loss column.

elbuckeye28;1022289 wrote:No doubt it helps a lot, but I still think it is not AS big as some make it out to be in the long run.

Bull. It is BIG. You could ask any coach. Most other teams, competitors will be practicing, getting the young guys more practice. Its huge. And its even bigger when a new coach/ system coming in.

centralbucksfan;1022296 wrote:Bull. It is BIG. You could ask any coach. Most other teams, competitors will be practicing, getting the young guys more practice. Its huge. And its even bigger when a new coach/ system coming in.

It benefits, no one is saying it doesn't but it's not a huge deal like you're making it out to be.

centralbucksfan;1022296 wrote:Bull. It is BIG. You could ask any coach. Most other teams, competitors will be practicing, getting the young guys more practice. Its huge. And its even bigger when a new coach/ system coming in.

Yeah its obviously not going to cripple the program, but to just shrug it off as no big deal is kind of dumb.

vball10set;1022283 wrote:Is this a rhetorical question, or are you just asking?

In either case, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. USC is not practicing and it's because they aren't allowed to go to a bowl this year.

OSU loses those practices; that's part of the punishment.

I didn't read the previous 8 pages so I don't know who is of the same opinion. I am baffled on how anyone can be surpirsed by this decision. I am an OSU grad from 1975 and have been amazed at the inept handling of this by OSU from day one. Most of us feel Smith should have been gone long ago, the fact that he still has a job at 4:35 on 12/20/11 after all the bull shit, jive turkey nonsense that has come out of his mouth amazes me. Par for the course with Gee as is boss.

Those jack wipes on 97.1 kill me this afternoon. They beleived the horseshit comming from Smith mouth for the last few months that the worst was behind OSU. I just shake my f'n head that people did not realize the NCAA was going to nail OSU for how Smith & the admnistration handled this.

Gene Smith must be terminated.

centralbucksfan;1022296 wrote:Bull. It is BIG. You could ask any coach. Most other teams, competitors will be practicing, getting the young guys more practice. Its huge. And its even bigger when a new coach/ system coming in.

I said it would help a lot, but it just seems like one of those things that is perceived as more important than it truly is since a.) there are a number of players that won't be on the team the following year, b.) there are a number of recruits that won't be practicing, c.) they are preparing for a team whose style may not prepare them for the style of teams that they play, and d.) the forgetting curve will likely negate much of the retention of anything novel and complicated implemented during bowl practices.

karen lotz;1022304 wrote:Yeah its obviously not going to cripple the program, but to just shrug it off as no big deal is kind of dumb.

After reading 9 pages, I agree with this post ^^. Other than that, OSU will be fine in a couple years unless they are under the microscope. This should of came out months ago though. Wonder if Meyer would of came and if he would of gotten these recruits in the last couple weeks?

karen lotz;1022304 wrote:Yeah its obviously not going to cripple the program, but to just shrug it off as no big deal is kind of dumb.

I'm not saying it's not a big deal, but some are blowing it out of proportion as if is is going to be some defining difference years later.

News Statement by Gene Smith on NCAA Sanctions

The Ohio State University today received the NCAA's ruling regarding violations involving its football program. Following a 12-month investigation conducted jointly by the NCAA and the University, the NCAA levied sanctions beyond those self-imposed by the university. Among the penalties Ohio State had self-imposed was a loss of five scholarships; the NCAA imposed a nine-scholarship penalty, three during each of the next three years. Additionally, the NCAA has imposed a three-year probation and a post-season ban for the coming year.

"We are surprised and disappointed with the NCAA's decision," said Gene Smith, Ohio State's Athletics Director and Associate Vice President. "However, we have decided not to appeal the decision because we need to move forward as an institution. We recognize that this is a challenging time in intercollegiate athletics. Institutions of higher education must move to higher ground, and Ohio State embraces its leadership responsibilities and affirms its long-standing commitment to excellence in education and integrity in all it does.

"My primary concern, as always, is for our students, and this decision punishes future students for the actions of others in the past," said Smith. "Knowing our student-athletes, however, I have no doubt in their capacity to turn this into something positive – for themselves and for the institution. I am grateful to our entire Buckeye community for their continued support."

Smith noted that President E. Gordon Gee and the university's Board of Trustees are in the process of concluding their examination of compliance at the university as part of a larger effort to develop a comprehensive, state-of-the-art model for the entire institution, including the athletics program. "All of us at Ohio State are determined to ensure that our compliance programs and protocols are best in class," said Smith. "We will assume a leadership role in representing our university and its values.

"It is important to remember that Ohio State has one of the nation's largest self supporting athletics programs, with students succeeding both in competition and in the classroom," said Smith. "We have more than 1,000 students who compete in 36 intercollegiate sports, and the overall grade-point average of our student-athletes is just over 3.0. During the last two years, the University has had more student-athletes named to the Academic All-Big Ten Team than any other school. Further, Ohio State finished second in last year's Directors' Cup, which recognizes the best athletics programs in the country."

Documents related to Ohio State's NCAA investigation can be found at http://www.osu.edu/news/ncaadocs/.

EEmail to students. didn't have time to read it but posted for those interested

ccrunner609;1022294 wrote:Cant wait to see what PSU gets for letting a guy rape boys in shower

That's a legal issue and not an NCAA one, so probably not much.

Geno has opted out of the introduction of Knight at the game tonight...lol!

Cant wait to see what PSU gets for letting a guy rape boys in shower

That's a legal issue and not an NCAA one, so probably not much.

NCAA doesn't care about "failure to monitor" coaches for using their institution to harm little boys...only about student athletes picking up too much pocket change.

ccrunner609;1022294 wrote:Cant wait to see what PSU gets for letting a guy rape boys in shower

So have you heard from them yet on the resume you sent for a teaching job there?

se-alum;1022332 wrote:Geno has opted out of the introduction of Knight at the game tonight...lol!

Is this true? What is interesting, is that my seats last year were close to Smith and his family. This year, I am in similar area, and he has yet to be seen at an OSU basketball game except for handing Matta a basketball for his 300th win on court before the last home game. Other than that, he has been invisible at bball games this year. Last year, except for a couple games, Smith was always around.

HitsRus;1022337 wrote:NCAA doesn't care about "failure to monitor" coaches for using their institution to harm little boys...only about student athletes picking up too much pocket change.

If they didn't care, there wouldn't be an investigation going on.

I don't like it, If they want to do something, do it. 3 or 4 years like usc. One year won't hurt OSU at all IMO They already got a top 10 recruiting class and this won't make any of those guys leave. Also no way will they go un beaten next year IMO so breathe easy, no big deal.

bo shemmy3337;1022352 wrote:I don't like it, If they want to do something, do it. 3 or 4 years like usc. One year won't hurt OSU at all IMO They already got a top 10 recruiting class and this won't make any of those guys leave. Also no way will they go un beaten next year IMO so breathe easy, no big deal.

That would mean OSU's situation would be comparable to USC's.

Automatik;1022353 wrote:That would mean OSU's situation would be comparable to USC's.

I am not saying that, just saying the NCAA just wanted to act like they did something and they really didn't IMO.

se-alum;1021579 wrote:I wish I could be on Twitter at that time to watch the meltdowns of Buckeye haters across the country.

don't you love the meltdowns?

dave;1022357 wrote:don't you love the meltdowns?

Lol...well, there were meltdowns!!

dave;1022357 wrote:don't you love the meltdowns?

Of the OSU fans? Yea, and I am an OSU fan. OSU screwed up and now we pay for it. Deal with it.

centralbucksfan;1022342 wrote:Is this true? What is interesting, is that my seats last year were close to Smith and his family. This year, I am in similar area, and he has yet to be seen at an OSU basketball game except for handing Matta a basketball for his 300th win on court before the last home game. Other than that, he has been invisible at bball games this year. Last year, except for a couple games, Smith was always around.

Brandon Castel @BCastOZone 1h RT @JerodNBC4: Gene Smith says he will not appear in the Bobby Knight on-court ceremony tonight.

Supposedly he will still be in attendance though.

If they didn't care, there wouldn't be an investigation going on.

Oh wow...that must have slipped by me when I was on vacation....did some quick research...
Huge can of worms here...any criminal activity by players/ coaches is now within NCAA's jurisdiction.
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/39206/ncaa-investigating-penn-state-scandal

The organization continues to usurp more and more power. Most people here would not accept this kind of unchecked arbitrary investigations rulings from our government, but for some reason, they accept this from the NCAA. Seemingly as pointed out above, there is no criminal activity that the NCAA couldn't investigate arbitrarily, and levy sanctions. Notre Dame's Michael Floyd's DUI....LSU drug tests....so which ones are severe enough to 'investigate'...and who's call is it?