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Nov 8, 2011 8:46 PM
ts1227;964130 wrote:Writer is never wrong, save us the pain of having to read more posts from him and don't question him.

F**k that, if someone's going to act hypocritically I'm going to call them out for it LOL.
Nov 8, 2011 8:46pm
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Nov 8, 2011 8:52 PM
I read the grand jury report today and it absolutely sickened me. What that man did to these boys is unforgivable.

Paterno may have done the minimum required by law and his contract, but he will have to answer to himself and to God for allowing these acts to go on as long as they did. He should have used his position and gone to the highest mountaintop and shouted out for all the world to hear. His program be damned, these are children we are talking about. Saving one innocent boy from this inexcusable horror would be worth losing the whole football program.

He's no better than the Catholic church. He did what they did, he looked the other way.

There is a special place in hell for those who do that.
Nov 8, 2011 8:52pm
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Nov 8, 2011 8:56 PM
FatHobbit;964045 wrote:He did still allow the guy on campus. I think a lot of people are over reacting, but he should have called the cops and or followed up.
Did he? He went to his superiors and told them what his assistant alleged to have saw. If his superiors didn't do anything about it, what was Joe Pa suppose to do? Call the cops is a cop out, the cops would probably dismiss it immediately with no evidence.
Nov 8, 2011 8:56pm
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Nov 8, 2011 8:57 PM
lhslep134;964115 wrote:For someone who was so defensive of Tressel, it's awfully funny how quick you are to assume JoePa's guilt without the full story.
A lot of things in the Tressel case were unproven media hyped garbage. This story is being generated from a grand jury testimony. Slightly different.
Nov 8, 2011 8:57pm
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Nov 8, 2011 9:13 PM
sleeper;964172 wrote:A lot of things in the Tressel case were unproven media hyped garbage.
Which part? The emails that were released or the full length PDF of the meeting between the NCAA and him?
Nov 8, 2011 9:13pm
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Nov 8, 2011 9:25 PM
KR1245;963915 wrote:Some things deserve a little more attention. If I see a coworker stealing a couple bucks from the office I'm probably going to my supervisor. If I see or even hear about the same coworker raping a kid I'm calling the police
If you see it the act yourself I agree but if you only hear about it through another person your going to straight to the cops? I don't think so.
Nov 8, 2011 9:25pm
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Nov 8, 2011 9:25 PM
lhslep134;964184 wrote:Which part? The emails that were released or the full length PDF of the meeting between the NCAA and him?
The part about all the impermissible benefits that were being handed out like candy(cars, women, etc.). The whole "he lied" crap is a freaking joke. We will never know the whole truth of what exactly transpired, but there's no doubt in my mind Tressel did the right thing and ended up getting crucified for being a great person. Fuck the media, Tressel for life.
Nov 8, 2011 9:25pm
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Nov 8, 2011 9:26 PM
Skyhook79;964213 wrote:If you see it the act yourself I agree but if you only hear about it through another person your going to straight to the cops? I don't think so.
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Nov 8, 2011 9:26pm
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Nov 8, 2011 9:31 PM
sleeper;964215 wrote:but there's no doubt in my mind Tressel did the right thing

Agreed. He violated NCAA rules in favor of possibly not violating real (Federal Criminal Procedure) rules. I'm just saying that in the Tressel case it wasn't like the media was making everything up (though as you noted, there was a lot of BS).
Nov 8, 2011 9:31pm
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Nov 8, 2011 9:38 PM
lhslep134;964236 wrote:Agreed. He violated NCAA rules in favor of possibly not violating real (Federal Criminal Procedure) rules. I'm just saying that in the Tressel case it wasn't like the media was making everything up (though as you noted, there was a lot of BS).
Well sure they weren't making everything up. We also didn't need 2-3 articles per day with rumors and anonymous accusations being reported as fact, but this is neither here nor there.

I'll give Joe Pa the benefit of the doubt. I don't think its as cut and dry as everyone wants to make it out to be. Sexually assaulting a child is a very serious accusation, and if I didn't witness the act I'd probably go directly to my superiors and let them decide the best course of action. Joe Pa isn't Sandusky's boss, you can't just go around calling cops on people based off 1 witness with accusations like this. People just like to watch the media tear down heros, and that's quite sickening in itself that you all buy into it.
Nov 8, 2011 9:38pm
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Nov 8, 2011 9:46 PM
I think they cancelled the press conference because they were worried what JoePa might say. He has always been a stand-up guy (until this incident) and he does not want his legacy to be tarnished. I have a feeling he was going to condemn those involved and throw some people under the bus in order to try and resuscitate his image.

The guys in the administrative office probably did not want the final nails in their coffin at this time and thus cancelled the presser (which was stupid and added gasoline to the fire).
Nov 8, 2011 9:46pm
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Nov 8, 2011 11:00 PM
JoPa has coached his last game. Well, he probably stopped coaching a few years ago but he wont be the figure head coach anymore either. If you heard what he said when all those supporters went to his house you will agree it is time to pull the plug on JoPa. I don't think he understands that little boys got raped in his locker room.
Nov 8, 2011 11:00pm
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Nov 8, 2011 11:46 PM
lhslep134;964115 wrote:For someone who was so defensive of Tressel, it's awfully funny how quick you are to assume JoePa's guilt without the full story.
This isn't about Tressel or me. It's about using common sense and reading the report. Either Paterno is the most stupid man in the world or he's incompetent. Which do you want to choose? He had two separate reports of incidents involving Sandusky in 4 years. Reports that had him in a shower with a young child doing sexual things.

Within a year after one of those reports, Sandusky was "retired" by Paterno. Is that just a coincidence, that he retired his best defensive coordinator at the height of his career so suddenly?

Paterno also approved Sandusky using PSU facilities from the time he "retired" until this past week, even though he'd had those reports of Sandusky using the showers for sexual activity with a child.

Is Paterno incompetent or senile that he would allow this to happen? Yet now he acts as if nothing was wrong with anything he did, and that he is somehow a victim of circumstance in all this.

Anyway you look at this, with common sense, Paterno failed to protect untold numbers of children by giving someone he had to know was fooling around with children unfettered access to PSU facilities.

He deserves to be fired and his "legacy" forever tarnished as a result of this.
Nov 8, 2011 11:46pm
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Nov 8, 2011 11:50 PM
Nightline reported tonight, Paterno could be fired in the next 24 to 48 hours.
Nov 8, 2011 11:50pm
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Nov 9, 2011 7:34 AM
GoJPM!;964394 wrote:Nightline reported tonight, Paterno could be fired in the next 24 to 48 hours.
PSU has no other option. He has to go now and not be seen on their sideline or their press box. How many other PSU coaches knew about this situation? I would guess all of them so where do the heads quit rolling? They all have an obligation to protect students and kids. Another question....Did Sandusky rape or have sex with any of his past players?
Nov 9, 2011 7:34am
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Nov 9, 2011 8:18 AM
Within a year after one of those reports, Sandusky was "retired" by Paterno. Is that just a coincidence, that he retired his best defensive coordinator at the height of his career so suddenly?
Just an observation...but it seems in this kind of scandal, people in leadership positions seem to all act in the same way....they try to handle it "in house" and hush it up. They just want it to go away as fast as possible and sweep it under the rug. I was listening to a talk show last nite, and a parent whose 7 year old son was molested by an older student at a private school was telling their experience. . The school's administrator wanted to handle it 'in house', not involve the authorities...and move the student to a different school. That is striking similar to thepath chosen by Catholic church and it's scandals.....and maybe how PSU was reacting to its own . Iwould imagine it must be hard to turn in a trusted friend or subject a family to such attention of a heinous crime and accusation.
I'm not offering this as any kind of excuse....but just an observation on how/why this scenario seems to be repeated over and over when sexual abuse is involved.
Nov 9, 2011 8:18am
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Nov 9, 2011 8:29 AM
Skyhook79;964213 wrote:If you see it the act yourself I agree but if you only hear about it through another person your going to straight to the cops? I don't think so.
Are you really that stupid? If I am sitting with an employee of mine who says he saw another employee of mine raping a ten year old boy in my locker room you don't think I call the cops that second? Are you really that stupid or just pretending to be? I hope to God some of you are never in a position of authority.
Nov 9, 2011 8:29am
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Nov 9, 2011 8:52 AM
I really do question you would call the cops immediately because one employee "told you" he saw another employee raping 10 yr olds in your locker room. I'm betting you would at least do some preliminary questioning to determine whether this was even possible of happening. As for the Penn St situation, it is already fact that JoePa did know it was happening and still chose not to call the cops. Huge Difference.
Nov 9, 2011 8:52am
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Nov 9, 2011 9:07 AM
Tiernan;964541 wrote:I really do question you would call the cops immediately because one employee "told you" he saw another employee raping 10 yr olds in your locker room. I'm betting you would at least do some preliminary questioning to determine whether this was even possible of happening. As for the Penn St situation, it is already fact that JoePa did know it was happening and still chose not to call the cops. Huge Difference.
Ok how's this I would have called the cops and JFS to report the abuse. Why would I handle the investigation? I haven't been trained to do that, so why would I be the one questioning anything? I would immediately hand it over to the PROPER authorities.
Nov 9, 2011 9:07am
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Nov 9, 2011 9:29 AM
alwaysawarrior;964525 wrote:Are you really that stupid? If I am sitting with an employee of mine who says he saw another employee of mine raping a ten year old boy in my locker room you don't think I call the cops that second? Are you really that stupid or just pretending to be? I hope to God some of you are never in a position of authority.
I'm stupid because I have a different opinion than yours? Sandusky wasn't an employee of Paterno's he was an employee of Penn State University. Paterno followed the University's chain of command and reported what someone told him to his superiors as he should of done.
If he hadn't have done that he would be part of the indictment which he isn't.
Nov 9, 2011 9:29am
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Nov 9, 2011 9:34 AM
Skyhook79;964601 wrote:I'm stupid because I have a different opinion than yours? Sandusky wasn't an employee of Paterno's he was an employee of Penn State University. Paterno followed the University's chain of command and reported what someone told him to his superiors as he should of done.
If he hadn't have done that he would be part of the indictment which he isn't.
Don't coaches do the hiring and firing of their own staff? He most certainly was employed by Paterno AND Penn State.

So since my immediate boss isn't the owner of the company, I am not an employee of his? C'mon.....
Nov 9, 2011 9:34am
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Nov 9, 2011 9:38 AM
Skyhook79;964601 wrote:I'm stupid because I have a different opinion than yours? Sandusky wasn't an employee of Paterno's he was an employee of Penn State University. Paterno followed the University's chain of command and reported what someone told him to his superiors as he should of done.
If he hadn't have done that he would be part of the indictment which he isn't.
No you are stupid because you believe Paterno did what he should have by reporting to the AD. Legally he is not responsible. That doesn't mean he isn't morally responsible. Also most intelligent people would also realize by this time Paterno ran the show. Its not like he couldn't have seen something done if he wanted it. And this is all assuming he didn't actively participate in an all out coverup which I personally believe he probably did.
Nov 9, 2011 9:38am
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Nov 9, 2011 9:55 AM
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Nov 9, 2011 9:55am
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Nov 9, 2011 9:57 AM
alwaysawarrior;964618 wrote:No you are stupid because you believe Paterno did what he should have by reporting to the AD. Legally he is not responsible. That doesn't mean he isn't morally responsible. Also most intelligent people would also realize by this time Paterno ran the show. Its not like he couldn't have seen something done if he wanted it. And this is all assuming he didn't actively participate in an all out coverup which I personally believe he probably did.
So he could have made the Cops arrest Sandusky and put him in jail? So if someone watches/pays for porn on the internet are they "morally" responsible for people going into the porn business? If Casey Anthony has another child and it ends up dead by her hands is the jury that found her not guilty "morally" responsible for the child's death?
Nov 9, 2011 9:57am
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Nov 9, 2011 10:01 AM
HitsRus;964513 wrote:Just an observation...but it seems in this kind of scandal, people in leadership positions seem to all act in the same way....they try to handle it "in house" and hush it up. They just want it to go away as fast as possible and sweep it under the rug.
Sounds like the Notre Dame model of handling scandals, minus the whole taking full responsibility for the actions by keeping our jobs.
Nov 9, 2011 10:01am