everyone who bought a michael jackson cd after his incidents is just as guilty. maybe the assistant will end up being a national favorite again in a few years like jackson

berry;963769 wrote:Meyer is looking at homes in Happy Valley.

Chris Hanson interviews for trainer position.

There was talk that Urban Meyer was holding back from OSU until he heard what sanctions are coming from the NCAA. Does anyone believe:

1. Ohio State is going to receive the same punishment now that they were before the scandal at Penn State? I know that the events unfolding at PSU aren't really NCAA territory but it does snap EXTREME WRONGDOING into perspective, at least to me. OSU, although in the wrong with tattoo-gate, seems like a 5th grader cheating on a spelling test compared to what is happening at Penn State. I would think the NCAA could see this and punish accordingly. Throwing down the hammer on Ohio State without so much as a statement vilifying what is going on in Pennsylvania would make them look like even more of a joke. It screams to the country that "any university can commit any number of criminal acts it wants and we'll sit back and shut up but DON'T take that free pair of sunglasses, ________ State University or University of _______, because we'll make your lives miserable. Go and steal them instead."

2. Urban Meyer is going to want to step in at Penn State after all of this? It wasn't exactly a cream of the crop job because of who the replacement was going to have to follow in the footsteps of in the first place. But recruits are already flocking away from Happy Valley and, after watching ESPN all afternoon, their national reputation is nosediving by the hour. This job is going to be seemingly thankless for several years and the coach, whoever that may be, is going to be hated nationally if the program wins and hated locally if the program loses. There isn't going to be any success in this job short term. Urban Meyer is a short term kind of guy.

I know this situation is waaay beyond football but I think it's interesting to talk about the long term ramifications this situation is going to have on Penn State, especially the football program. IMO, Penn State has essentially given themselves their own death penalty by handling this matter in the manner that they have. The NCAA is unnecessary.

Back on topic (sorry for the book)...It sucks to see someone I always admired have his career end in a less than honorable way, but he deserves it. Urban Meyer isn't the person that's going to restore honor to Penn State immediately because NO ONE is going to restore honor to Penn State immediately. Paterno's exit should come with a little review on self-perception by Penn State.

Urban's coming to OSU...book it

vball10set;963874 wrote:Urban's coming to OSU...book it

rydawg5;963852 wrote:everyone who bought a michael jackson cd after his incidents is just as guilty. maybe the assistant will end up being a national favorite again in a few years like jackson

Michael Jackson was an excellent entertainer, that doesn't make him a good person.
OJ Simpson was an excellent football player, that doesn't make him a good person.
Adolf Hitler was an excellent public speaker and orator, that doesn't make him a good person.
Jerry Sandusky was an excellent defensive football mind, that doesn't make him a good person.
Stephen King is a good author. That doesn't make him a good person.

I could go on. Buying a Michael Jackson CD or a PSU fan celebrating their 1986 National Title doesn't mean either scenario is supporting pedophilia. Admitting that someone was good at something doesn't mean you're supporting what was bad about them. That being said, I doubt a little known outside-of-PSU Jerry Sandusky will be a "national" favorite after this dies down. People knew Michael Jackson for many things other than his relationship with children. No one nationally knows anything about Sandusky but this.

P.S. Apologies to Stephen King. I just needed another example. I'm sure he's an ok person.

DeyDurkie5;963876 wrote:

:thumbup:

I don't think Joe Pa did anything wrong. He took an accusation about a very serious issue and reported it to the people above him to investigate. The guy was no longer coaching at PSU so he didn't have any control over him there, and this was simply a matter of informing your superiors and having them take appropriate action.

I'm one of those types that believes in innocent until proven guilty, and so far Joe Pa is innocent.

sleeper;963893 wrote:I don't think Joe Pa did anything wrong. He took an accusation about a very serious issue and reported it to the people above him to investigate. The guy was no longer coaching at PSU so he didn't have any control over him there, and this was simply a matter of informing your superiors and having them take appropriate action.

I'm one of those types that believes in innocent until proven guilty, and so far Joe Pa is innocent.

I think some people think JoePa should have handcuffed him,taken him to jail and been the Judge at his trial but even that probaly wouldn't have satisfied some on here.

Tressel was crucified in the court of public opinion long before he was forced to resign. This is several orders of magnitude beyond that. No way in the world JoePa makes it through this.

ricola;963897 wrote:Tressel was crucified in the court of public opinion long before he was forced to resign. This is several orders of magnitude beyond that. No way in the world JoePa makes it through this.

He was crucified undeservedly as well.

sleeper;963893 wrote:I don't think Joe Pa did anything wrong. He took an accusation about a very serious issue and reported it to the people above him to investigate. The guy was no longer coaching at PSU so he didn't have any control over him there, and this was simply a matter of informing your superiors and having them take appropriate action.

I'm one of those types that believes in innocent until proven guilty, and so far Joe Pa is innocent.

I agree that he didn't do anything wrong. That doesn't mean he shouldn't have done something more. Forcing him out seems perfectly reasonable. Demonizing him seems excessive.

I'm an innocent until proven guilty type of person too, but sadly that only exists inside of a courtroom (if that). In the court of public opinion it's guilty even if you're acquitted.

Skyhook79;963896 wrote:I think some people think JoePa should have handcuffed him,taken him to jail and been the Judge at his trial but even that probaly wouldn't have satisfied some on here.

Some things deserve a little more attention. If I see a coworker stealing a couple bucks from the office I'm probably going to my supervisor. If I see or even hear about the same coworker raping a kid I'm calling the police

KR1245;963915 wrote:Some things deserve a little more attention. If I see a coworker stealing a couple bucks from the office I'm probably going to my supervisor. If I see or even hear about the same coworker raping a kid I'm calling the police

Yes.

How many kids could have been spared had the authorities been notified immediately?

sleeper;963893 wrote:I don't think Joe Pa did anything wrong. He took an accusation about a very serious issue and reported it to the people above him to investigate. The guy was no longer coaching at PSU so he didn't have any control over him there, and this was simply a matter of informing your superiors and having them take appropriate action.

I'm one of those types that believes in innocent until proven guilty, and so far Joe Pa is innocent.

For once I actually agree with you. And he was a long time friend, he didn't want to be the one to turn him in I'm sure so he went to a higher up.

Crimson streak;963957 wrote:For once I actually agree with you. And he was a long time friend, he didn't want to be the one to turn him in I'm sure so he went to a higher up.

Gotta disagree. Some things should automatically end a friendship, this is one of them. Outside of taking a life I cant imagine anything worse than what that guy did. I don't like the higher up argument either, Joe has more power than the AD and its not even close

He probably figured that the ad would do something which obviously isn't the case. Joe pa made a bad decision and now he's going to pay unfortunately

Crimson streak;963992 wrote:He probably figured that the ad would do something which obviously isn't the case. Joe pa made a bad decision and now he's going to pay unfortunately

Seriously? Unfortunately?

Look, when a guy says (to paraphrase) "That you can only be as happy as your least happiest child"...turns a blind eye to a yet enumerated number of children's lives that have arguably been decimated due to negligence or flat out intent, sorry but he deserves all he gets. Period.

Sure, Joe Pa did a ton of good at Penn State, but certainly blew it all out the window when he looked the other way.

At the very least he's a hypocrit

At worst he's an enabler

ytownfootball;964015 wrote:Seriously? Unfortunately?

Look, when a guy says (to paraphrase) "That you can only be as happy as your least happiest child"...turns a blind eye to a yet enumerated number of children's lives that have arguably been decimated due to negligence or flat out intent, sorry but he deserves all he gets. Period.

Sure, Joe Pa did a ton of good at Penn State, but certainly blew it all out the window when he looked the other way.

damn good post..reps

sleeper;963893 wrote:I don't think Joe Pa did anything wrong. He took an accusation about a very serious issue and reported it to the people above him to investigate. The guy was no longer coaching at PSU so he didn't have any control over him there, and this was simply a matter of informing your superiors and having them take appropriate action.

I'm one of those types that believes in innocent until proven guilty, and so far Joe Pa is innocent.

He did still allow the guy on campus. I think a lot of people are over reacting, but he should have called the cops and or followed up.

sleeper;963907 wrote:He was crucified undeservedly as well.

I couldn't agree with you more here.

ytownfootball;964015 wrote:Seriously? Unfortunately?

Look, when a guy says (to paraphrase) "That you can only be as happy as your least happiest child"...turns a blind eye to a yet enumerated number of children's lives that have arguably been decimated due to negligence or flat out intent, sorry but he deserves all he gets. Period.

Sure, Joe Pa did a ton of good at Penn State, but certainly blew it all out the window when he looked the other way.

At the very least he's a hypocrit

At worst he's an enabler

I didn't mean unfortunate for him. I meant its unfortunate he did something like this to ruin his legacy. I considered him one of the greats of college football, but now I'm not so sure and that's what's unfortunate

Crimson streak;964061 wrote:I didn't mean unfortunate for him. I meant its unfortunate he did something like this to ruin his legacy. I considered him one of the greats of college football, but now I'm not so sure and that's what's unfortunate

I am very disappointed too, it's always unfortunate when an icon you've come to admire stumbles, or in this case flat out falls six feet under.

enigmaax;963654 wrote:I don't understand what there is to prepare that could take "days or weeks".

The contractual legalities.

Writerbuckeye;963715 wrote:He deserves anything bad that happens to him or his legacy from here on out.

Everything about this man, including his football career, is justifiably forever tarnished. He didn't just keep quiet about a child predator on his staff, he HELPED him by giving him unfettered access to the university's facilities for a decade.

Most likely, he did this to protect the very image that is now destroyed.

It's why he's wanting his son to set up a press conference -- and I'm betting it's against his son's advice. He feels the need to try and save his reputation, even though that's no longer possible. No matter what he says at the press conference, or how he answers questions, nobody will believe he didn't cover this up.

All they'll see is a pathetic old man who's desperate to save what little respect he has left, and he's willing to lie to a bunch of reporters to do it.

There is nothing he can say at this point to change things, and that's why I'm betting he's been told to just keep quiet. But he's shown how stubborn and controlling he is...so he'll probably be the architect of his final and very public self immolation.

For someone who was so defensive of Tressel, it's awfully funny how quick you are to assume JoePa's guilt without the full story.

lhslep134;964115 wrote:For someone who was so defensive of Tressel, it's awfully funny how quick you are to assume JoePa's guilt without the full story.

Writer is never wrong, save us the pain of having to read more posts from him and don't question him.

Joe Pa knew the guy was a sex offender and was directly aware of the shower scene. How anyone can defend him from not reporting him directly to the police and banning him from the facilities is beyond me.