Again let's not get off the subject of the kids. How do you tuslaw alums. Think they feel reading all this

Brutus,
Get the facts, he has had kids in the following schools:
Northwest
Perry
CVCA
Tusalw
Fairless
Waynedale

I believe they were briefly enrolled in the spring of 2009 at CVCA

I Wear Pants;656057 wrote:Can you commit slander if you don't say anyones names?

Like if I said "I know a website administrator who likes to have relations with farm animals" would that be slander of justincredible? I mean, I didn't say his name. (Please don't sue me justin )

Truth is an absolute defense to slander.

I have some 'experience' in listening to two sides of an issue. Extensive training says the bird that chirps the loudest, longest, and with the most different songs..is the bird to be wary of. The subject who uses deflection, distraction, and transfer of blame or responsibility...most often has something to hide..and is usually the guy 'we're looking for'..if you know what I mean.

de oppresso liber;656148 wrote:I have some 'experience' in listening to two sides of an issue. Extensive training says the bird that chirps the loudest, longest, and with the most different songs..is the bird to be wary of. The subject who uses deflection, distraction, and transfer of blame or responsibility...most often has something to hide..and is usually the guy 'we're looking for'..if you know what I mean.

Amen!!

Hey Justin, can we move this to the basement for the last week and just let it fly??

Can we close this thing now. It is obvious that while initially this subject had justification of being on here, now it had turned into a crazy mess where people are attacking others, their business, indirectly two kids involved in the middle of this, and whether you realize it or not two schools who in the grand scheme are getting their respected names drug through the mud on this whole ordeal. As an alum of one of those schools it really makes me sad to see that people are laughing at, making fun of, and looking down on the great reputation that I was a part of creating and maintaining throughout my time there and current interactions with their programs. When this whole process is ended and the kids are reinstated like they should be, we can create a results post and be done with everything and hopefully leave it at that.

Shopping your kids around to high schools all over the area is unseemly, and leads to situations exactly like this one more often than not. Embrace the karma.

http://www.the-daily-record.com/news/article/4971395

Interesting story on this case. The timing of of this medical leave certainly raises questions....

"the primary OHSAA administrator they've dealt with, and who ruled the boys eligible and then ineligible, won't be part of the appeal hearing due to a short medical leave."

Reading the new post, who is now deflecting from the story. Has one single child of mine been in trouble at any school. No , not once. Were two coaches fired at one school one for a major criminal act and felony...Yes. Happy ending , A State Title.
Did one of my daughters leave because her head Tuslaw coach transferred to Northwest because of his lack of support and the lack of Advanced math curriculum at Tuslaw . She started with a coach in highschool her freshman year and she finished with that coach at another school. We paid full tuition , over 10000 dollars I think it was. She is now a math teacher at Timken. Head Track and cross country coach and assistant basketball coach at Timken. Another happy ending because we made the right moves.
My middle daughter stayed at Tuslaw. She regretted it. She was the highest scoring HS girls basketball player in the last 35 years. 1300 carreer points. Holds 7 school records. Started and never missed a game in all 4 years. Lead the league in scoring 3 years. She did this while still being the captain of the cheerleading team and the student body voted her both Prom Queen and homecoming queen. Sounds like a well rounded kid to me. She is a Junior at Kent State and a Psychology major. Because she was in such a bad program, she never got the press or coverage she needed for State criteria to "all state" or show her stuff to colleges. She scored her points and did her job despite double coverage in every game. I was so sick of hearing stop Nelson, Stop Tuslaw. She was never taken out once in a game ever despite our pleading with the coach. Severe ankle injuries or stomach flew. Every minute of every game no matter how she felt. She should have been a wrestler..LOL!
You would think that with the High standards of performance of those oldest three kids and how they behaved and excelled no matter the bad behavior of the school would be commended not trashed. That the school and adults would be under scrutiny not the Model student athletes.
On CVCA They never attended there with now our deepest regret . You know the story of how hard the Super at Tuslaw worked to clean house and pressure his couch to have some integrity. He failed and admitted it.
Bankruptcy????Can you believe its come to airing private business of a wrestlers family. But the twins are worth it. The posters who claimed I changed the name of my company and moved it to my former Tuslaw Home . A out right lie. Now that is slander. Slander with the intent to damage my reputation. You did name me. It does infuriate the owner of the company I now work for and have no ownership in. That owner has been in Business for 25 years was never an empoyee of mine and lives and is home based in Las Vegas Nevada. He was very excited to be able to hire me. Your slander and story are totally incorrect and I would caution you to only use facts when you Guess on a story. My story on the other hand is based on truth almost all documented by even a 3rd party and Dozens of witnesses. These 'Stories" Even lead the Tuslaw Super to plead on our behalf that there was EXTREME safety and welfare issues that made it Impossible for the twins to stay! Absolute Truth is total defense to slander. Being very educated on this matter preparing a suit for slander makes me a expert on this, trust me. Every word I have chose meets all standard to truth and Light on this subject. I have not seen anyone challenge that truth only to attack and deflect, For they can not, and hence the panic of Pandora's Box they opened when they sent a "packet" to OHSAA. My stories all relate to the topic of 'Eligibility'" What lead to the move. What we did to do the Move. What happened due to the Move. What we are doing to fix the ruling. How it is being handle. What i feel as a activist about how the rules are written. Again thanks for this forum and a again don't let the haters and rock throwers derail this story...I can take whatever they can deal..anything itonlt demonstrate the Hate . One hater said, No wonder all Tuslaw people don't like you. Thanks for that documentation and confirmation. The rocks you throw are evidence to my story.

I have named no names. i have not retaliated . I have answered every question asked and explained our every decision with only facts. Yes I have been relentless. I told my sons I would not sleep till this was made right. My employer has covered my Job and gave me a full paid leave of absence to fight this injustice till it is won.....AND IT WILL BE WON.....Wether it will take another week or a year it will be won and those involved in this witch hunt will be held responsible for their malicious acts, stalking, trespass, break ins, damage to propery, Child endangerment,child abuse,intimidation, negligence and yes SLANDER and every dime of the cost will be passed to those responsible. We are clean. Alumni of Tuslaw you still have a chance to save your schools reputation. Demand a full investigation by the school Board! Ask the mother of the head coach to recuse herself from the school board while this happens. You can still look great and that you care about you schools integrity. If you refuse to look into this and blindly go over the cliff ....well we know what happens after the Cliff. Thanks to all my Good Tuslaw neighbors and wrestlers who have Hugged, wrote us letters and facebooked your frustration and support. The actions of a dozen or so does not reflect on the majority at public lynching . Thanks for all the support we have received fro blue country.

I Wear Pants;656057 wrote:Can you commit slander if you don't say anyones names?

Like if I said "I know a website administrator who likes to have relations with farm animals" would that be slander of justincredible? I mean, I didn't say his name. (Please don't sue me justin )

Be on the lookout:

falcon81;656328 wrote:those involved in this witch hunt will be held responsible for their malicious acts, stalking, trespass, break ins, damage to propery, Child endangerment,child abuse,intimidation, negligence and yes SLANDER .

I'll bet this is your favorite movie: back and to the left; back and to the left; back and...

Jim Garrison: The Warren Commission thought they had an open-and-shut case. Three bullets, one assassin. But two unpredictable things happened that day that made it virtually impossible. One, the eight-millimeter home movie taken by Abraham Zapruder while standing by the grassy knoll. Two, the third wounded man, James Tague, who was knicked by a fragment, standing near the triple underpass. The time frame, five point six seconds, determined by the Zapruder film, left no possibility of a fourth shot. So the shot or fragment that left a superficial wound on Tague's cheek had to come from the three shots fired from the sixth floor depository. That leaves just two bullets. And we know one of them was the fatal head shot that killed Kennedy. So now a single bullet remains. A single bullet now has to account for the remaining seven wounds in Kennedy and Connelly. But rather than admit to a conspiracy or investigate further, the Warren Commission chose to endorse the theory put forth by an ambitious junior counselor, Arlen Spector, one of the grossest lies ever forced on the American people. We've come to know it as the "Magic Bullet Theory." This single-bullet explanation is the foundation of the Warren Commission's claim of a lone assassin. Once you conclude the magic bullet could not create all seven of those wounds, you'd have to conclude that there was a fourth shot and a second rifle. And if there was a second rifleman, then by definition, there had to be a conspiracy.

Jim Garrison: Back, and to the left... back, and to the left... back, and to the left.

1_beast;656324 wrote:http://www.the-daily-record.com/news/article/4971395

Interesting story on this case. The timing of of this medical leave certainly raises questions....

"the primary OHSAA administrator they've dealt with, and who ruled the boys eligible and then ineligible, won't be part of the appeal hearing due to a short medical leave."

This is the person that was on the Conference calls with the Waynedale super,ad, and head coach that made the ruling of eligibility after reviewing our info in detail! The clerk who then received the secret Packet and made the twins ineligiblil on a knee jerk reaction with in 2 hours of getting packet with out checking with the board. The one who refused to take a call from our AD or Super after the decision was made. The one that says she talked to no one at Waynedale despite phone records and affidavits by all School officials involved .
One day after us agreeing to moving up our hearing and canceling our court visit , This key person who is the only reason any of us are talking about this is now on medical leave and unavailable to my attorneys or Ad at the OHSAA. Our Ad called yesterday needing info on this and was informed yesterday she went on a leave of absence. Wow . it never stops. Would you guys just please release my sons and end this. Mitigate the damages and we will happily move on.

Lets all hope that a certain owner of a certain Ohio wrestling web site was also involved in this . If he is the process will expose him. Until then lets not mention the site or his name please.

Ha, interesting...been having a hard time reading all those posts on the other forum. Seem to be having some problems there lately. Bombed with spam. I wonder. Thought it was interesting trying to drag Waynedale into the mud. They seem to have difficulties with blue huskies, and red cats, but blue mustangs might top that here. Also of note on the big slander issue, can't say I'd want my name all over a newspaper and accused of falsification of doc's based on mysterious bearer of envelopes. I hope there is not a sequel to this movie script!

Ok I can confirm that the clerk who has been behind this entire fiasco , who has all the answers, who made all the decisions has went on a medical leave of absence. She will not be available to us to prepare our defense. I believe the OHSAA more than ever now will clear my sons! This has been hard on my family and on the OHSAA both. Both of our reputations have been stained due to the decisions of others. My Attorney's are now very very confident That The members on the Board will take all things into consideration . To the clerk who is unable to work and be there to help straighten out the situation because of a illness in her family, I pray, whoever is Ill gets well soon and everything works out. After all the health and safety of your family comes before wrestling and eligibility issues. May all now concerned use their own common sense to draw what ever obvious conclusion you might come to. May God direct the minds and spirit of those in charge of my sons Life , liberty and pursuit of happiness use wisdom and discernment in their vote. Thank you again.

When and if this nightmare ends soon with the results I expect, the first round is on me with all my crazy new Wayne county member school posters at the tavern of your choice in Wooster. 8000 hits didn't hurt.

I'm not from Wayne County but i Will take you up on that one Dean. I have tried to call you but I think since you put your # on this forum you have been inundated with calls. There were a lot of people waiting for you to show up at the nightwine dual last night, so the people of Portage County are interested also. Seems like the only way I can get to talk to you is on the forums, give me a call. I will be home from about 7 tonight until noon tomorrow, then I have to go watch my son get married in Columbus. I will be back Sunday afternoon. Let's go have a beer and talk some wrestling. Sorry to have to put all this for everyone to read, but I haven't been able to get a hold of you. Good Luck in your hearing.
Mark Adelman aka firestonefan

firestonefan;656772 wrote:I'm not from Wayne County but i Will take you up on that one Dean. I have tried to call you but I think since you put your # on this forum you have been inundated with calls. There were a lot of people waiting for you to show up at the nightwine dual last night, so the people of Portage County are interested also. Seems like the only way I can get to talk to you is on the forums, give me a call. I will be home from about 7 tonight until noon tomorrow, then I have to go watch my son get married in Columbus. I will be back Sunday afternoon. Let's go have a beer and talk some wrestling. Sorry to have to put all this for everyone to read, but I haven't been able to get a hold of you. Good Luck in your hearing.
Mark Adelman aka firestonefan

If it were not for the severe snow storm and my wife's birthday and near exhaustion from this battle I would have been there. And yes my phone has rung off the hook. Well over a hundred calls yesterday, only two insane screaming nuts that were drunk out of their minds both after 1 am. LOL! I have received Hundreds of supportive e-mails zero negative e-mails. It seems the only haters are the totally unidentified posters who refuse to put a name or face behind their posts. The hundreds of supporters have all 100 percent identified themselves.....Interesting is it not! I will will make it up to you thank you for your Support Mark, Firestonefan , Wendy and the twins said Hi!

Only in AMERICA!! Good Luck to all wrestlers!!

falcon81:
In my opinion, from what I've researched on the "Transfer Rules" the intent is to prevent forum shopping, meaning you can't let johnny or jenny leave a school district for athletic reasons without jumping through numerous hoops/exceptions. IMO: Your situation does not violate the intent behind the Transfer Rules.
IMO: This ill-advised Rule protects athletically challenged school districts in the guise of saying its all about reading, writing & arithmetic and not the total high school experience and development of character and discipline through athletics. NOTE: I am NOT saying the schools mentioned anywhere in this thread are athletically challenged, I am just speaking in general.
I am NOT saying athletics are more important than education. If I were to stop here, the OHSAA (quasi Judge, Jury & Executioner)-, although an "Association" analogous to any other administrative agency which restricts business and free trade (in this case young people)- would argue that it is the Rule so we all are supposed to take it on the chin. The Transfer Rules- under the guise of an education first philosophy- are counterproductive and encourage complacency in athletics thereby defeating the whole high school experience for student athletes.
The "safety clause" was recently eliminated from the Bylaws- IMO: this was an abuse of discretion standing alone and particularly as applied to the Nelson twins situation if the alleged facts in this thread are true, which they appear to be because the Superintendent signed off on it and sometimes things are so compelling that it cannot be made up.
Besides if I had a sons in wrestling and they told me they either were or felt allegedly threatened, then I would take it very seriously and resolve any doubts in favor of their safety! Who can disagree?
From what I've gleaned, the OHSAA blessed the transfer to Waynedale prior to the season which presupposes that OHSAA did their due diligence/investigation.
I seriously question the due diligence on the part of the OHSAA considering the recent developments despite the "mysterious package" delivery. Simply put, the timing of the "mysterious package" detracts from the credibility of the sender IMO at this time of the season it appears motivated by malicious intent in the form of a personal vendetta.
If the OHSAA overturns their decision now, then it appears at least to me as an implicit admission to the public that they failed to do proper investigation and mislead your sons as to eligibility.
On top of that, from what I've read, the Clerk cannot attend the hearing- reasons aside, I hope the Clerk's medical situation is fine, but your right to confront witnesses is now compromised, which should favor your side.
In conclusion, I am a taxpayer, I am an unpaid assistant wrestling coach, I have a business, I do not like restrictions on business, trade or in this case choice of school.
SOMEWHERE IN THIS THREAD THE BIG PICTURE HAS BEEN LOST- IT IS ABOUT THE KIDS, NOT ADULTS!
Above all, it enrages me to see great young men, like Zack & Zane, being singled out by mysterious people who send mysterious packages to an Association with questionable rules. High school is supposed to be the memorable glory days for the kids- no worries, no stress, go to class & learn, play sports. The real world after graduation is tough enough- most adults know this. Some on here jab at the father, while in reality you are jabbing at two fine young men who the father is only trying to protect. Wouldn't you do the same if it were your kids?
/S/ John Drumm.

Good post.

de oppresso liber;655814 wrote:Sounds to me like someone's seen the movie U-571 a few times.. I've heard lots of stories from submariners over the years...the most action the majority ever saw was a hot bunking workout with their duty sock.

I hope your joking .....Thats a insult to all Submariners and the insane life style they live to protect your free speech. Your ignorance on what its like to be on a Submarine could not be more off base. Sorry, but I needed to defend all my bubble head brothers both active and vets. Show some respect. please.

Greatest Thread Ever!

innoshape;656988 wrote:falcon81:
In my opinion, from what I've researched on the "Transfer Rules" the intent is to prevent forum shopping, meaning you can't let johnny or jenny leave a school district for athletic reasons without jumping through numerous hoops/exceptions. IMO: Your situation does not violate the intent behind the Transfer Rules.
IMO: This ill-advised Rule protects athletically challenged school districts in the guise of saying its all about reading, writing & arithmetic and not the total high school experience and development of character and discipline through athletics. NOTE: I am NOT saying the schools mentioned anywhere in this thread are athletically challenged, I am just speaking in general.
I am NOT saying athletics are more important than education. If I were to stop here, the OHSAA (quasi Judge, Jury & Executioner)-, although an "Association" analogous to any other administrative agency which restricts business and free trade (in this case young people)- would argue that it is the Rule so we all are supposed to take it on the chin. The Transfer Rules- under the guise of an education first philosophy- are counterproductive and encourage complacency in athletics thereby defeating the whole high school experience for student athletes.
The "safety clause" was recently eliminated from the Bylaws- IMO: this was an abuse of discretion standing alone and particularly as applied to the Nelson twins situation if the alleged facts in this thread are true, which they appear to be because the Superintendent signed off on it and sometimes things are so compelling that it cannot be made up.
Besides if I had a sons in wrestling and they told me they either were or felt allegedly threatened, then I would take it very seriously and resolve any doubts in favor of their safety! Who can disagree?
From what I've gleaned, the OHSAA blessed the transfer to Waynedale prior to the season which presupposes that OHSAA did their due diligence/investigation.
I seriously question the due diligence on the part of the OHSAA considering the recent developments despite the "mysterious package" delivery. Simply put, the timing of the "mysterious package" detracts from the credibility of the sender IMO at this time of the season it appears motivated by malicious intent in the form of a personal vendetta.
If the OHSAA overturns their decision now, then it appears at least to me as an implicit admission to the public that they failed to do proper investigation and mislead your sons as to eligibility.
On top of that, from what I've read, the Clerk cannot attend the hearing- reasons aside, I hope the Clerk's medical situation is fine, but your right to confront witnesses is now compromised, which should favor your side.
In conclusion, I am a taxpayer, I am an unpaid assistant wrestling coach, I have a business, I do not like restrictions on business, trade or in this case choice of school.
SOMEWHERE IN THIS THREAD THE BIG PICTURE HAS BEEN LOST- IT IS ABOUT THE KIDS, NOT ADULTS!
Above all, it enrages me to see great young men, like Zack & Zane, being singled out by mysterious people who send mysterious packages to an Association with questionable rules. High school is supposed to be the memorable glory days for the kids- no worries, no stress, go to class & learn, play sports. The real world after graduation is tough enough- most adults know this. Some on here jab at the father, while in reality you are jabbing at two fine young men who the father is only trying to protect. Wouldn't you do the same if it were your kids?
/S/ John Drumm.

Great post. Thanks for the thought you put into this. I want to say that I will not be commenting or responding any longer on my specific case. All the facts have been shared and debated and I have tried to answer all questions to the best of my ability for those that want to know the whole story. For those that only want to hate, spew malice you know there is no answers that they are actually interested in, only promoting their agenda of hate and envy.
I would like to keep this thread going as to the topic of"eligibility". My lawyers have informed me we are where we want to be now and to leave it where its at. Code....Shut the hell up Dean! LOL! As hard as that is for me..... Well it is what is best for the Twins now...I feel very confident we will be on the mat now soon. God bless everyone for your support....its been a crazy week. Now lets chatter about "eligibility" in general . What have we learned about the process?