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May 24, 2010 2:13 PM
Maybe just stick with the word probably, then I think you'd both agree. It's not probably to happen.
May 24, 2010 2:13pm
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May 24, 2010 3:32 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote: I don't think it is unrealistic though. I think it may be unlikely, but there is going to be a big push to make something like this happen and when a player the caliber of LeBron is involved, there aren't too many things that are unrealistic. Situations as rare as this one can cause weird, unusual things to happen.
I don't understand what Lebron has to do with? He's not going to be involved in the trade. Again, we are not talking about free agency, we are talking about trades.

So team A wants to trade with Cleveland because they have Lebron? It doesn't make any sense.
Because when a player of his magnitude is involved with one of the teams, things get pushed harder, more will be offered to keep him happy and the player being traded for may even say, "hey, I want to go there and play with LeBron, make this happen or I'll be disgruntled all of next year." That's happened before.

I agree with jpake, we need to just agree on a word lol. I agree with you that it's UNLIKELY to happen, either one of them--Bosh or Paul. But both of them are definitely possible. I'd imagine Bosh won't be a FA, it'll be a S&T and just like with Paul--they'll probably get better offers than what the Cavs can offer. However, don't be surprised if it would happen because like I said, if the parties involved want it to happen then it can in fact happen. Paul can say he doesn't want to be traded anywhere other than Cleveland and he WANTS to be traded. The organization doesn't have to listen to him, but in some cases in the past a player has had that kind of input. And if you're a team like NO who is doing it more for financial reasons than talent reasons--as long as you get the figures you want, does it really matter who the players are that you bring in?
May 24, 2010 3:32pm
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May 24, 2010 3:38 PM
Althought the organization has the final say, elite players have a voice in where they want to be traded to.

Guys like Bosh have more power because it will be a S/T. Guys like CP3 obviously do not have much pull but their opinions do count as they could cause some major problems within the organization.

I believe that the CP3 deal is more realistic than the Bosh deal. Many people are wondering why you would trade an elite PG, but you have to realize the NO situation. They are having money problems which could be resolved this summer but they will never have the money to build around CP3. What do they do with their draft pick, select another PG who isn't that big. Their roster isn't very good and pretty soon you're going to have CP3 asking for a trade because he wants to be on a contender. There was a reason why NO selected a PG with their 1st rounder last season imo.
May 24, 2010 3:38pm
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May 24, 2010 3:40 PM
It's also possible that Lebron says screw the NBA, I want to retire. Anything is possible, it doesn't mean it's realistic. I just don't see any realistic way a trade gets done to bring in someone the caliber of Bosh or Paul.

I don't even know what is realistic with the cap, but let's talk about some realistic free agents, maybe Ray Allen, Marcus Camby, Luke Ridnour, Rafer Alston, Chris Duhon, Louis Amundson or Steve Blake.

That's just a quick list of guys that I saw that I don't think would be too expensive and that could improve the Cavs.
May 24, 2010 3:40pm
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May 24, 2010 3:41 PM
Yep, the CP3 deal is more likely.

Not to mention, when they aren't near the top WITH him, why not try and spread the money he costs around to other positions when you have a very young back up who looks like he could be an All Star if he were a starter.
May 24, 2010 3:41pm
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May 24, 2010 3:42 PM
devil1197 wrote: I believe that the CP3 deal is more realistic than the Bosh deal. Many people are wondering why you would trade an elite PG, but you have to realize the NO situation. They are having money problems which could be resolved this summer but they will never have the money to build around CP3. What do they do with their draft pick, select another PG who isn't that big. Their roster isn't very good and pretty soon you're going to have CP3 asking for a trade because he wants to be on a contender. There was a reason why NO selected a PG with their 1st rounder last season imo.
I'll repost what I said earlier and I didn't really get a response from:
thedynasty1998 wrote: I understand the financial problems in New Orleans, but doesn't it have a lot to do with not selling tickets? If you get rid of Paul, you lose even more of a fanbase.

Plus, his contract really isn't that outrageous. He'll make $15 million next year and $16 the following and by bringing in Delonte, Mo and Hickson they are due $15 next season and then almost $11 the following after Delonte's contract expires.

Plus the draft pick would be at the bottom of the first round.

I don't see any reason why New Orleans would even take a second look at that offer?
If they make the trade that was proposed on here, it doesn't help their situation much.
May 24, 2010 3:42pm
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May 24, 2010 3:43 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote: It's also possible that Lebron says screw the NBA, I want to retire. Anything is possible, it doesn't mean it's realistic. I just don't see any realistic way a trade gets done to bring in someone the caliber of Bosh or Paul.

I don't even know what is realistic with the cap, but let's talk about some realistic free agents, maybe Ray Allen, Marcus Camby, Luke Ridnour, Rafer Alston, Chris Duhon, Louis Amundson or Steve Blake.

That's just a quick list of guys that I saw that I don't think would be too expensive and that could improve the Cavs.
Since you're just a casual fan I'll state what Gilbert has said earlier this year.

He isn't going to sit around and let other teams steal LeBron away. He will do everything in his power to make Cleveland better and he wouldn't be doing that by signing half the guys you named above.

I truly believe that Cleveland will be making a big trade this summer to heavily improve the team.
May 24, 2010 3:43pm
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May 24, 2010 3:47 PM
thedynasty, Delonte's contract isn't fully guaranteed. NO could release him and only have to pay 500K instead of the 4.5 million if they keep him on.

Cleveland could also trade them AP who is an expiring contract. Cleveland could also work their various contracts so NO could get rid of Okafur's bad contract.

NO would only be paying Collison under 2 million a year for the next two years running the PG spot. They could in turn deal Williams out for other help at positions such as a big.

The NBA trades are very complex but they have been done before.
May 24, 2010 3:47pm
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May 24, 2010 3:53 PM
devil1197 wrote: He isn't going to sit around and let other teams steal LeBron away. He will do everything in his power to make Cleveland better and he wouldn't be doing that by signing half the guys you named above.

I truly believe that Cleveland will be making a big trade this summer to heavily improve the team.
I understand that, I'm just not seeing the potential.

I think a number of the guys that I mentioned make the Cavs better, especially if Lebron is still around.

Now if Lebron does leave, the Cavs are still only $6 million under the cap (if I remember that correctly), so they have to work out some trades.

What pieces do the Cavs have that other teams covet?
May 24, 2010 3:53pm
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May 24, 2010 3:55 PM
If LeBron leaves, you put the entire team on the block and start from scratch IMO

But now with Brown getting fired, I don't think LeBron will leave unless they really fuck up hiring a new coach.
May 24, 2010 3:55pm
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May 24, 2010 4:01 PM
http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?t=10411&page=10

Read here.

That 6 million is a little off.

He is assuming LeBron opts out, Cleveland picks up Powe. and the players take their options. That leaves Cleveland at 46.8 with an expected cap of 56 which leaves them at 9-10 million open.

Cleveland also has some weird cap holds including Wally and others that can give financial relief combined with West's contract that is only guaranteed 500K of 4.5 million, and Telfair/AP's expiring's along with JJ being a young talent that is cheap.
May 24, 2010 4:01pm
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May 24, 2010 4:23 PM
So, if Lebron stays, you can deal Delonte, a couple small expirings and JJ. I just don't see what kind of impact player you are going to bring in even with that all packaged.

I think you look at that list of free agents and see which ones make sense. How about a Ridnour or Blake? A setup PG who can knock down the outside shot? Then maybe play Mo Williams at the 2 more and let him come off screens. I think that makes the team better.

How about a Marcus Camby? A defending big who can get up and down the court and knock down the corner jumper? I think he's an excellent fit!

Now I don't know how much those guys will command or if they have interest in joining the Cavs, but I think those two examples are just as good as anything you will get through a trade.
May 24, 2010 4:23pm
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May 24, 2010 4:24 PM
Camby would have been an excellent fit with Mike Brown. Not sure if he would be with whoever the new coach will be. I think he'd play well along side LeBron though.
May 24, 2010 4:24pm
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May 24, 2010 4:43 PM
Like I said, most of your list wouldn't make Cleveland better but Camby has been discussed with Cleveland before. Getting guys like Blake or Ridinour won't keep LeBron.

Its not just West, expirings and JJ. Depending on who the player is, you can insert a good player like Mo/JJ/expirings/picks for a star/bad contract. There are so many options for Cleveland as they have cap holds, expirings, young talent in JJ and even Mo who is only 26 or 27, and most importantly the money to take on bad contracts and pay the luxury tax.

Plus, enter in 3 team trades and you'll end up with more talent. No one expected Cleveland to get Jamison for the 31st pick, but it happens in the NBA because of the different options available.
May 24, 2010 4:43pm
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May 24, 2010 4:51 PM
devil1197 wrote: Like I said, most of your list wouldn't make Cleveland better but Camby has been discussed with Cleveland before. Getting guys like Blake or Ridinour won't keep LeBron.

Its not just West, expirings and JJ. Depending on who the player is, you can insert a good player like Mo/JJ/expirings/picks for a star/bad contract. There are so many options for Cleveland as they have cap holds, expirings, young talent in JJ and even Mo who is only 26 or 27, and most importantly the money to take on bad contracts and pay the luxury tax.

Plus, enter in 3 team trades and you'll end up with more talent. No one expected Cleveland to get Jamison for the 31st pick, but it happens in the NBA because of the different options available.
No one wanted Jamison. Washington wanted to get rid of him for anything, due to his terrible contract. The Cavs were just dumb enough to bite. He didn't make them any better. He has actually set them back.

Who do you think they are going to get to make them better then? I just don't understand your thought process here. I'm not criticizing you, I just honestly don't understand it. I just don't see an elite player like Paul or Bosh joining them. I think you are going to have to get B level player who can make the team better, someone like a Camby or Ridnour.
May 24, 2010 4:51pm
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May 24, 2010 4:55 PM
Dumb enough to take him? Jamison is an upgrade at the 4 for 95% of the league...
May 24, 2010 4:55pm
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May 24, 2010 4:56 PM
If Cleveland would have to take Okafor to get CP3, you do it. Okafor is a very good defensive center and his offensive game isn't THAT bad.

IMO, that would be killing two birds with one stone.

Of course, these are all rumors/speculations to discuss about. NOBODY is saying WE WILL get CP3.

Just some things to talk about during this dead period.
May 24, 2010 4:56pm
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May 24, 2010 5:00 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: Dumb enough to take him? Jamison is an upgrade at the 4 for 95% of the league...
That's after everyone wanted to convince me of Varejao's worth and Hickson's potential.

PF's who are better than Jamison (more than 95%):
Garnett, Nowitzki, Duncan, Bosh, Gasol, Boozer, David West, Stoudemire, David Lee and Lemarcus Aldridge.

Probably a few more.
May 24, 2010 5:00pm
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May 24, 2010 5:00 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: Dumb enough to take him? Jamison is an upgrade at the 4 for 95% of the league...
And when you factor in his salary, yes, dumb enough. The Cavs take that trade back today if they could.
May 24, 2010 5:00pm
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May 24, 2010 5:01 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote:
devil1197 wrote: Like I said, most of your list wouldn't make Cleveland better but Camby has been discussed with Cleveland before. Getting guys like Blake or Ridinour won't keep LeBron.

Its not just West, expirings and JJ. Depending on who the player is, you can insert a good player like Mo/JJ/expirings/picks for a star/bad contract. There are so many options for Cleveland as they have cap holds, expirings, young talent in JJ and even Mo who is only 26 or 27, and most importantly the money to take on bad contracts and pay the luxury tax.

Plus, enter in 3 team trades and you'll end up with more talent. No one expected Cleveland to get Jamison for the 31st pick, but it happens in the NBA because of the different options available.
No one wanted Jamison. Washington wanted to get rid of him for anything, due to his terrible contract. The Cavs were just dumb enough to bite. He didn't make them any better. He has actually set them back.

Who do you think they are going to get to make them better then? I just don't understand your thought process here. I'm not criticizing you, I just honestly don't understand it. I just don't see an elite player like Paul or Bosh joining them. I think you are going to have to get B level player who can make the team better, someone like a Camby or Ridnour.
I disagree that Jamison didn't make them better.

If Jamison was used right (how many times does this have to be said) he would have made a HUGE difference.

Terry Pluto was just on ABAO and said the SAME exact thing.

Paired with Shaq, Mike Brown tried to make Jamison a spot up shooter... HE'S NOT!!!! He's best when he's used in the low block where he can use his unorthodox style of shooting and cutting the lanes.

AGAIN, the Cavs (most notably Mike Brown) DID NOT use Jamison right.

I'd be 100% perfectly fine with keeping Jamison if our next coach properly uses his abilities.
May 24, 2010 5:01pm
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May 24, 2010 5:04 PM
I don't think you're very well read on Jamison's stats. He has some pretty incredible numbers from a historical stand point. No way you take that trade back, we traded him for nothing and he makes the team better no matter how you look at it.

And just the fact that anyone has to convince you of AV's worth or Hickson's potential shows that you're just what you say you are--a casual fan. But the problem is you parade around as if you're an NBA genius.
May 24, 2010 5:04pm
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May 24, 2010 5:07 PM
dynasty, for stating that you are a casual Cav/NBA fan you sure talk like you know everything about these guys and what Cleveland should have done.

I don't have a problem having a debate with you, but you are going to have to start looking up some stuff for your own sake. Read up on some NBA trades and the different options at the teams disposal and you'll realize that these trades are realistic. Its all about timing and the situations teams are in.

Cleveland has enough to work with to pull off a big deal, if they didn't have enough then Gilbert wouldn't be talking about making the big deal. You need to understand that its not just as cut and dry as CP3 being a star, its about combining bad contracts with CP3 to reload. NO isn't going anywhere with CP3 at the PG spot and no money to build around him. Their attendance sucks with CP3 there so losing a little money but saving more on contracts evens out.

Teams don't like to trade their stars, but in the end its about money for these owners and the true fans know that.
May 24, 2010 5:07pm
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May 24, 2010 5:12 PM
devil1197 wrote: dynasty, for stating that you are a casual Cav/NBA fan you sure talk like you know everything about these guys and what Cleveland should have done.

I don't have a problem having a debate with you, but you are going to have to start looking up some stuff for your own sake.
That's my only issue with the guy.

There's a difference between just watching the game and KNOWING the game.
May 24, 2010 5:12pm
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May 24, 2010 5:13 PM
Don't question his basketball resume...
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May 24, 2010 5:16 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: Don't question his basketball resume...
I like him, over in the college forum he is good (has a hate crush on Diebler, but still).

But don't state that your a casual NBA fan but then say were stupid for thinking a CP3 deal can be made with Cleveland. Or that Cleveland would take back the Jamison trade when clearly he was a guy they were targeting for two years. Jamison was 15 and 7 in the playoffs, provided scoring when we needed it. He played bad against Boston in the last two games but so did everyone else so you cannot bash him solely for that. He produced while being put in situations where he usually does not play (outside). He'll be a solid player for Cleveland next season and thats a fact.
May 24, 2010 5:16pm