posted by kizer permanentePeople don’t hate billionaires out of pure jealousy.
None of these things they’re funding for their enjoyment will ever be affordable for regular people. What has ever been funded by rich people for their enjoyment that has ever become affordable?
posted by justincredible
It’s definitely a component. Exploitation is a little larger component though
posted by Laley23Well, cruises for one lol. Commercial air travel. Pretty much every mode of transportation. Cell phones. Etc.
I think you’re misunderstanding what was created for profit vs what was funded by their entertainment? How exactly were cellphones funded by rich people’s enjoyment? Transportation? Yeah that had nothing to do with governmental subsidies, I guess…Definitely rich people enjoyment. If you’re that loose with definitions, all of the modern world was funded by rich people for their enjoyment.
The more I think about I can see your point you were making. Almost everything wouldn’t come into existence if people with disposable income didn’t buy it first.
posted by kizer permanenteThe more I think about I can see your point you were making. Almost everything wouldn’t come into existence if people with disposable income didn’t buy it first.
This was my point. When people were talking about cell phones, someone had to fund it. And at the time, it was looked at (likely) as something that would never be needed or catch on. But a rich person looked at it as a way to make money, because other rich people would be in the market for it. And so the science and tech kept pushing.
Of course I was being very loose with all the transportation stuff. But the Model T sure as shit wasnt being marketed to the lower class poor. It was definitely a status to own a car vs travelling by horseback. Without the rich wanting to constantly one up each other, I dont think we get to a lot of things because nobody wants to take on the risk of the product being worthless or not wanted. A product needs to be exclusive (for the most part) when its initially launched, as a cost effective way to actually manufacture it. That leads to high prices initially. Rich people HAVE to be interested/invested in the success of new products for them to become mainstream where the rest of the population can enjoy them.
posted by kizer permanenteThe more I think about I can see your point you were making. Almost everything wouldn’t come into existence if people with disposable income didn’t buy it first.
I was going to respond but you figured it out.
posted by Laley23This was my point. When people were talking about cell phones, someone had to fund it. And at the time, it was looked at (likely) as something that would never be needed or catch on. But a rich person looked at it as a way to make money, because other rich people would be in the market for it. And so the science and tech kept pushing.
Of course I was being very loose with all the transportation stuff. But the Model T sure as shit wasnt being marketed to the lower class poor. It was definitely a status to own a car vs travelling by horseback. Without the rich wanting to constantly one up each other, I dont think we get to a lot of things because nobody wants to take on the risk of the product being worthless or not wanted. A product needs to be exclusive (for the most part) when its initially launched, as a cost effective way to actually manufacture it. That leads to high prices initially. Rich people HAVE to be interested/invested in the success of new products for them to become mainstream where the rest of the population can enjoy them.
Yeah… my point is shit like this and space travel won’t ever become slightly affordable until it’s necessary. And I can’t think of an instance where going to see the ruins of wreckage is necessary. And never in our lifetime will recreational space travel neither. It will always be a high cost luxury in the foreseeable future no matter how many billionaires want to do it.
posted by kizer permanenteYeah… my point is shit like this and space travel won’t ever become slightly affordable until it’s necessary. And I can’t think of an instance where going to see the ruins of wreckage is necessary. And never in our lifetime will recreational space travel neither. It will always be a high cost luxury in the foreseeable future no matter how many billionaires want to do it.
That could probably be said of a lot of things, though. It hardly has to be "necessary" for there to be enough demand to make it affordable. That's literally the foundation of tourism, and many places are nearly entirely reliant on tourism.
However, when it comes to both space and deep ocean travel, VR will probably be almost indistinguishable. In both cases you're literally in a capsule looking out a view port, which is pretty much identical to VR...
posted by gutThat could probably be said of a lot of things, though. It hardly has to be "necessary" for there to be enough demand to make it affordable. That's literally the foundation of tourism, and many places are nearly entirely reliant on tourism.
However, when it comes to both space and deep ocean travel, VR will probably be almost indistinguishable. In both cases you're literally in a capsule looking out a view port, which is pretty much identical to VR...
Necessity has always been the breeder of demand and invention though. All this stuff seems like shit ultra wealthy spend on bc they have done literally everything else
If/when space travel drops to $50k, there will be a very, very high demand for it, imo.
Ocean, way way less. Just aint this to see down there that anyone would care about. Literally cannot think of anything but Titanic and a few other wrecks.
posted by Laley23Ocean, way way less. Just aint this to see down there that anyone would care about. Literally cannot think of anything but Titanic and a few other wrecks.
Big ass fish but that’s far easier of course
posted by Laley23If/when space travel drops to $50k, there will be a very, very high demand for it, imo.
U rich rich if $50k ain’t shit lol
posted by kizer permanenteU rich rich if $50k ain’t shit lol
It's also less than the price of most new cars...so well within reach of people who priortize different things.
posted by kizer permanenteU rich rich if $50k ain’t shit lol
Didn't some rich dudes pay like 50 million to visit the space station. He is right if the price drops to 50k there will be a high demand for it.
posted by kizer permanenteU rich rich if $50k ain’t shit lol
You wouldn’t save up $50k to go to space? Admittedly I have zero clue if that is economically possible. I don’t know the cost of rockets, fuel, shot like that. I was just a statement that if the price for space falls, the demand will be a waiting list for sure. What’s the difference between that and a Tesla? Or 3 overseas vacations with the family? Or many other things?
posted by Ironman92Big ass fish but that’s far easier of course
Not really. Fish move, and its pitch black. Need something with a concrete location where you can shine the light on it.
posted by gutIt's also less than the price of most new cars...so well within reach of people who priortize different things.
Most people take loans for years to buy a car. You’re not taking a 6 year loan to go to space.
posted by Laley23You wouldn’t save up $50k to go to space? Admittedly I have zero clue if that is economically possible. I don’t know the cost of rockets, fuel, shot like that. I was just a statement that if the price for space falls, the demand will be a waiting list for sure. What’s the difference between that and a Tesla? Or 3 overseas vacations with the family? Or many other things?
No there’s way too many other things I need in life like not working the entirety of it to spend $50k to go to space
posted by kizer permanenteMost people take loans for years to buy a car. You’re not taking a 6 year loan to go to space.
What's your point, other than that you value a car over a space trip?
