posted by geeblockKids are being killed and you are bringing up drug addicts dying as some reason why we shouldn’t do anything.
Do you think more kids die in a year from school shootings or drug overdoses? You do know that kids die that aren’t drug addicts, correct? So why don’t you care about them?
Regardless of everything else, this police department hired and was run by a bunch of fucks.
The hero mom also says law enforcement warned her against telling her story publicly with a threat of jail time for violating her probation. Speaking to the media is ‘obstruction of justice’ they said. A judge shortened her probation instead, because of her heroic actions. https://t.co/wKBeiliuuC
— Brendan Keefe (@BrendanKeefe) June 4, 2022
posted by geeblockKids are being killed and you are bringing up drug addicts dying as some reason why we shouldn’t do anything.
That’s 1/2 a step better than ptowns BS “you must be ok with kids being mowed down”, so congratulations on that I guess.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieHowever the randomness and unpredictability of it make it vivid to us as a society. I would call it the principle of the matter.
Accidents happen. A shooting is not an "accident", but it is equally random. But, again, there are many causes of death of children that are random, and many are controllable to varying degrees yet get little attention. So why the extreme focus on gun deaths? I'd suggest it's not the shock or vividness but the politics.
Taking guns or banning guns would likely take decades to have an impact, if at all, and that requires a very dubious assumption that these wackos don't get guns illegally on the black market. I think you should ask yourself why Democrats aren't pounding the table to harden schools and keep the shooters from getting access in the first place. Again, the most practical solution is a long way from gun control and mental health because those are key Democrat agendas.
posted by geeblockKids are being killed and you are bringing up drug addicts dying as some reason why we shouldn’t do anything.
For like the 50th time, no one is saying not to do anything. In fact, the "banning guns are useless crowd" have offered more solutions than you and others. But all you hear is "banning guns won't do anything" and then your brain shuts down. Frankly, that's the sort of attitude and discourse that got Trump elected.
Also, a lot of kids are dying from fentanyl that aren't drug "addicts", just experimental. In many cases, they don't even know what they're taking is laced with fentanyl. Unless you live in a cave, you might also know fentanyl is so powerful that second-hand exposure can be fatal
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieMany say that exact same thing about banning abortion. So in your opinion does that make such bans good and worthwhile, even with studies that show banning abortion DOES actually save lives?I would call it the principle of the matter.
posted by gutAccidents happen. A shooting is not an "accident", but it is equally random. But, again, there are many causes of death of children that are random, and many are controllable to varying degrees yet get little attention. So why the extreme focus on gun deaths? I'd suggest it's not the shock or vividness but the politics.
Taking guns or banning guns would likely take decades to have an impact, if at all, and that requires a very dubious assumption that these wackos don't get guns illegally on the black market. I think you should ask yourself why Democrats aren't pounding the table to harden schools and keep the shooters from getting access in the first place. Again, the most practical solution is a long way from gun control and mental health because those are key Democrat agendas.
A guy coming into a classroom and murdering a bunch of little kids is horrifying regardless of someone’s politics. Both parties of these idiots use this stuff.
posted by gutFor like the 50th time, no one is saying not to do anything. In fact, the "banning guns are useless crowd" have offered more solutions than you and others. But all you hear is "banning guns won't do anything" and then your brain shuts down. Frankly, that's the sort of attitude and discourse that got Trump elected.
Also, a lot of kids are dying from fentanyl that aren't drug "addicts", just experimental. In many cases, they don't even know what they're taking is laced with fentanyl. Unless you live in a cave, you might also know fentanyl is so powerful that second-hand exposure can be fatal
He somehow works in education and is clueless.
But literally u are saying don’t do anything. Like wtf does drug addicts dying have to do with school shootings. Jmog u keep saying that no one is allowed to say u don’t care but literally people in this thread are saying there is a threshold of shootings that is just part of life and we haven’t met a number they aren’t comfortable with.
posted by gutFor like the 50th time, no one is saying not to do anything. In fact, the "banning guns are useless crowd" have offered more solutions than you and others. But all you hear is "banning guns won't do anything" and then your brain shuts down. Frankly, that's the sort of attitude and discourse that got Trump elected.
Also, a lot of kids are dying from fentanyl that aren't drug "addicts", just experimental. In many cases, they don't even know what they're taking is laced with fentanyl. Unless you live in a cave, you might also know fentanyl is so powerful that second-hand exposure can be fatal
This is like the biggest who the fuck cares whataboutism there is.. why not keep bringing up fast food or any other what about. It’s a lot of words to just say you are against gun control and call it a day
It’s literally ok to just say u are against gun control without listing the 99 other ways people die
Most of the people in this thread have given the answer of improved school security. For some reason you don't want that.
posted by geeblockBut literally u are saying don’t do anything. Like wtf does drug addicts dying have to do with school shootings. Jmog u keep saying that no one is allowed to say u don’t care but literally people in this thread are saying there is a threshold of shootings that is just part of life and we haven’t met a number they aren’t comfortable with.
Care to point out where someone gave a threshold of acceptable child deaths in this thread?
If not just more BS hyperbole.
Someone give one law that will prevent these type of planned school shootings in the USA, and all of us will back it.
Banning AR’s wouldn’t even do it as there are a 100 hunting rifles that fire higher caliber bullets, at the same rate of fire, as an AR.
3 day waiting periods won’t as 99% of these are planned out attacks and they had the weapons for weeks/months before the shootings.
So stop with the bullshit hyperbole that those of us that like the 2A just want kids to die…and give an actual workable solution.
posted by geeblockIt’s a lot of words to just say you are against gun control and call it a day
You're using a lot of words to say you're clueless and have no solutions. And, LOL, way to validate my point about how you read gun control isn't a solution and then your brain shuts off.
And I've said more than a few times I don't oppose gun control, I oppose ineffective and useless solutions. I don't even own a gun, and have only fired one literally once in my life. But I'm also not a lemming.
If the arguments are too nuanced and complex for you to process, then perhaps you should just tap out and stop embarrassing yourself. Even the dodgeball teacher is dunking on you.
posted by jmogSo stop with the bullshit hyperbole that those of us that like the 2A just want kids to die…and give an actual workable solution.
I don't even consider myself pro-2A. But I'm a practical realist. Just like I am pro-life, but feel anti-abortion laws aren't effective or equitable.
What I want and what makes sense are not always aligned. But "sense" is absent from the Democrat's emotionally-driven platform.
posted by geeblockIt’s literally ok to just say u are against gun control without listing the 99 other ways people die
It's literally OK to just say you only care about how children die and not how many kids die.
Well, not really it just makes you look like a useful idiot.
posted by jmogBanning AR’s wouldn’t even do it as there are a 100 hunting rifles that fire higher caliber bullets, at the same rate of fire, as an AR..
Speaking of misinformation....
I'm absolutely floored that even when presented with the data and insights, that supposedly "moderate" and intelligent people still buy into the meme tropes. People on this board have been saying it for years, and a quick google search readily confirms it.
But it's not just this issue - it's well documented that emotion can completely suppress logic. Yet it still blows my mind that a majority of the population believes there's something special and mythical about the AR, when it's such an easy misconception to dispel.
posted by iclfan2He somehow works in education and is clueless.
His pupils are literally safer at school than at home, but you know...
Hilarious. I picture u guys driving a 4wd f 150 for your 10 mile commute to work that is all highway lol.
Please continue listing all the ways kids die for 10 more pages. Like seriously why can’t we care about both. Why does it have to be one or the other. So we can’t look at gun laws until we cure world hunger? No one is trying to take your guns that you probably haven’t shot it 10 years
posted by gutIt's literally OK to just say you only care about how children die and not how many kids die.
Well, not really it just makes you look like a useful idiot.
You realize it’s possible to care about many ways kids die. This particular thread is about kids dying from guns so I’m not sure what u don’t get about that.
