Guns and Mass Shootings

posted by majorspark

It's a rhetorical question.

When did the federal government murder school children?  I can’t think of a single example.

posted by geeblock

I don’t see why that matters that’s just dumb. Do you think people aren’t working every day to change that? Completely irrelevant. If you want to discuss that start a thread about it. 

Just because jmog says a waiting period won’t stop a shooter doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. So no that’s not “facts and data”. Neither is pointing out the 100 other ways kids die. Trying to insult someone because they believe we could actually do something to reduce these shootings like maybe raise the legal age to 21 is also very weak in your part. You are the one who seems upset and emotional. I’m not having an emotional reaction to this at all. The thread was literally created asking for possible solutions to the gun problem and you are all butthurt for people trying to discuss them. Calm the fuck down 

1. Jmog doesn’t say, the fact that nearly all of these are well planned attacks leads to a logical conclusion that a wait period wouldn’t change. That’s the difference. 

2. 21 may be an answer, would need to see the data on age of school shooters and how they got their guns (bought themselves vs illegally from someone else, parent, grandparent, etc).

3. You can’t insult people on this thread by calling them all rednecks in a round about way and then complain about people insulting you, it REALLY makes you look like a moron.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Plenty of places require gun registration where “confiscation” hasn’t followed.  

It’s just an idea worth exploring.  What’s your solution?

Already given mine.

Strengthen schools by any means, police, voluntary teachers, locking mechanisms, etc.

Am open to raising all gun purchases to 21 if the data shows that most of these are under 21 and getting the weapons by current legal means.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Plenty of places require gun registration where “confiscation” hasn’t followed.  

It’s just an idea worth exploring.  What’s your solution?

Also,  none of those places have a 2A guaranteeing the right to own a weapon. So it’s a moot point.

posted by jmog

1. Jmog doesn’t say, the fact that nearly all of these are well planned attacks leads to a logical conclusion that a wait period wouldn’t change. That’s the difference. 

2. 21 may be an answer, would need to see the data on age of school shooters and how they got their guns (bought themselves vs illegally from someone else, parent, grandparent, etc).

3. You can’t insult people on this thread by calling them all rednecks in a round about way and then complain about people insulting you, it REALLY makes you look like a moron.

You don’t know what could happen in let’s say a 15 day waiting period. A shooter could get a new job, meet a girl, find out about a concert he wants to attend in a few months, get killed in a car accident, their parents could find out and report them , others who may want to run out and get a gun may cool off during the two weeks. Who know what could happen but something could. Your not really saying how it hurts anyone to wait two weeks to get your gun 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

When did the federal government murder school children?  I can’t think of a single example.

I said killed school aged children.  The Haska Meyna wedding party in Afghanistan would be one.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

When did the federal government murder school children?  I can’t think of a single example.

You seriously need to sue the school you went to for malpractice.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

posted by geeblock

You don’t know what could happen in let’s say a 15 day waiting period. A shooter could get a new job, meet a girl, find out about a concert he wants to attend in a few months, get killed in a car accident, their parents could find out and report them , others who may want to run out and get a gun may cool off during the two weeks. Who know what could happen but something could. Your not really saying how it hurts anyone to wait two weeks to get your gun 

Maybe you didn’t read before.

Nearly all school shootings are planned out and the shooter has the gun for weeks/months before the actual shooting.

That’s the flaw in your thinking.

These aren’t buying the gun and shooting up a school same day so a waiting period may make them change their mind.

posted by superman

You seriously need to sue the school you went to for malpractice.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

You can’t possibly have missed the context of the discussion this badly.  

posted by majorspark

I said killed school aged children.  The Haska Meyna wedding party in Afghanistan would be one.  

Okay, fine.  We don’t have laws against murder because American troops have committed war crimes in the past?  

Pretty good article on some of the foolishness being proposed.

https://fee.org/articles/the-federal-government-s-own-study-concluded-its-ban-on-assault-weapons-didnt-reduce-gun-violence/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=facebook_zapier&fbclid=IwAR3HpsreP00vA27a8Qns3VXWRvUPo5izkinz1je59KyWF1fzypSxeFnb6z8

posted by jmog

Maybe you didn’t read before.

Nearly all school shootings are planned out and the shooter has the gun for weeks/months before the actual shooting.

That’s the flaw in your thinking.

These aren’t buying the gun and shooting up a school same day so a waiting period may make them change their mind.

No solution is going to 100 percent stop all shootings. Your statement of “nearly all” shows that u understand that even if it stopped one shooting it would be worth it. 

Much the same way that saying protect the schools can’t stop school shootings. But just because it can’t 100 percent stop it, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to do it anyway. I’m for taking the approach to try as many solutions as possible 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

You can’t possibly have missed the context of the discussion this badly.  

Seriously, I'll buy you a history book if you promise to get someone to read it to you, you absolute bellend. 

posted by superman

Seriously, I'll buy you a history book if you promise to get someone to read it to you, you absolute bellend. 

Okay, if you foresee a frontier massacre in the continuing war with the American Indians as a legitimate risk to today’s school children, then go ahead and factor that into the discussion.  

Bellend?  You from Britain or just feeling frisky with thesaurus.com today?

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Okay, fine.  We don’t have laws against murder because American troops have committed war crimes in the past?  

Of course we do.  Are you daft?

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Okay, if you foresee a frontier massacre in the continuing war with the American Indians as a legitimate risk to today’s school children, then go ahead and factor that into the discussion.  

Bellend?  You from Britain or just feeling frisky with thesaurus.com today?

You asked for an instance of the American government murdering school children.  I gave you one.  Guess what they did right before they murdered those 297 Natives?  They confiscated their guns.  Now are you starting to understand how this might be relevant to our discussion?  

As for bellend, it's an elegant solution to the problem of Americans not having sufficiently developed an insult to describe you. 

posted by majorspark

Of course we do.  Are you daft?

Obviously I'm aware we do.  My point being that conduct in a war zone is different than domestic law.

posted by superman

You asked for an instance of the American government murdering school children.  I gave you one.  Guess what they did right before they murdered those 297 Natives?  They confiscated their guns.  Now are you starting to understand how this might be relevant to our discussion?  

As for bellend, it's an elegant solution to the problem of Americans not having sufficiently developed an insult to describe you. 

I'm willing to take the leap that Massacre at Wounded Knee II will not be the result of enhanced gun laws.  If you aren't, well that's your right.  

posted by geeblock

No solution is going to 100 percent stop all shootings. Your statement of “nearly all” shows that u understand that even if it stopped one shooting it would be worth it. 

Much the same way that saying protect the schools can’t stop school shootings. But just because it can’t 100 percent stop it, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to do it anyway. I’m for taking the approach to try as many solutions as possible 

Huge flaw in your thinking…

1. Strengthening the defense of the schools does not trample anyone’s rights and has the probability of stopping a good percentage of school shooters.

2. Making a gun have a 10 day wait period will stop 1 out of a 100 as the other 99 were planned for weeks/months. And this idea does trample law abiding citizens 2A rights.

You don’t create a law that will reduce someone’s rights that will have a negligible effect just to say you had to do something. 

Show me data that most of these are people who buy their gun and immediately go on a rampage and I would 100% agree that a wait period will help.

Don’t just say “well we have to do something”. Back your idea with actual data.

The data says most of these shootings are preplanned and not same day madmen. Prove me wrong.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I'm willing to take the leap that Massacre at Wounded Knee II will not be the result of enhanced gun laws.  If you aren't, well that's your right.  

Wait, so you don’t believe government massacres tend to follow governments confiscating citizens weapons?

Come on, I hope that is a joke.