Disgusted with the Biden administration

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Mon, Jun 27, 2022 10:36 AM
posted by Automatik

You’re definitely very scared. Again, therapy is a viable option. 




Not a chance -- therapists have been booked solid for several years with TDS'ers; no end in sight. 

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Mon, Jun 27, 2022 10:38 AM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I haven’t worked for any POTUS (yet), do I can’t say for certain, but there are people who’s job it is to direct presidents and other big wigs through shot like this.  I have seen it with 2 CEOs I’ve worked many levels under.  It’s not unusual.


There are plenty of reasons to not like Biden without falling for this kind of nonsense.





In this case, though, it is because of dementia. 

kizer permanente Senior Member
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Mon, Jun 27, 2022 3:19 PM
posted by QuakerOats

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-aluminum-plant-cuts-production-lays-off-600-workers-high-energy-costs?dicbo=v2-f5591a5cd85121ea148db0f4c2ab0e40



and it begins ....

Aww… don’t have Trumpy to impose tariffs to bail them out anymore? 


QuakerOats Senior Member
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Mon, Jun 27, 2022 4:55 PM
posted by kizer permanente

Aww… don’t have Trumpy to impose tariffs to bail them out anymore? 



Yeah, that's it.  Never mind that the cost to fire an industrial has tripled/quadrupled.  

jmog Senior Member
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Mon, Jun 27, 2022 9:24 PM
posted by kizer permanente

Aww… don’t have Trumpy to impose tariffs to bail them out anymore? 


Did you not read the article? They are shutting down because power costs are too high to be competitive.


Not sure how “Trumpy tariffs” makes your argument look good.


If tariffs keep manufacturing here in the US why wouldn’t you be for that?


kizer permanente Senior Member
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Mon, Jun 27, 2022 10:06 PM
posted by jmog

Did you not read the article? They are shutting down because power costs are too high to be competitive.


Not sure how “Trumpy tariffs” makes your argument look good.


If tariffs keep manufacturing here in the US why wouldn’t you be for that?


Why would any capitalist be? U a commie? 


Fletch Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 7:56 AM
posted by kizer permanente

Aww… don’t have Trumpy to impose tariffs to bail them out anymore? 


Wow,  welcome to 2017.


QuakerOats Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 10:42 AM
posted by kizer permanente

Why would any capitalist be? U a commie? 



Our own (leftist) government purposefully makes our own energy too expensive to use.  If you stop right there and consider that, and its ripple effect on the economy and The People, you should easily discern how incredibly disturbing that is.  The sheer ignorance and/or arrogance of those leading us down this path is beyond measure.

kizer permanente Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 10:46 AM
posted by QuakerOats


Our own (leftist) government purposefully makes our own energy too expensive to use.  If you stop right there and consider that, and its ripple effect on the economy and The People, you should easily discern how incredibly disturbing that is.  The sheer ignorance and/or arrogance of those leading us down this path is beyond measure.

ahhh ok. 

jmog Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 1:26 PM
posted by kizer permanente

Why would any capitalist be? U a commie? 


1. I am personally not a fan of tariffs.


2. I said IF tariffs kept jobs here why wouldn’t you be for them? It is still being studied if Trump’s tariffs on China and Mexico steel/aluminum did any good or harm.


3. Tariffs are not “communist”. One of the first laws passed by the US government after the Revolutionary war ended was the Tariff Act of 1789. It was made to protect US manufacturers and raise federal money. Until the early 1900s when income tax was created tariffs were about 95% of the federal revenue. 


Was the US communists until they started lowering their tariffs in the mid 1900s after WW2?


That’s bad even for you Kizer.


kizer permanente Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 2:11 PM
posted by jmog

1. I am personally not a fan of tariffs.


2. I said IF tariffs kept jobs here why wouldn’t you be for them? It is still being studied if Trump’s tariffs on China and Mexico steel/aluminum did any good or harm.


3. Tariffs are not “communist”. One of the first laws passed by the US government after the Revolutionary war ended was the Tariff Act of 1789. It was made to protect US manufacturers and raise federal money. Until the early 1900s when income tax was created tariffs were about 95% of the federal revenue. 


Was the US communists until they started lowering their tariffs in the mid 1900s after WW2?


That’s bad even for you Kizer.


It was obviously said in jest  no I don’t think you’re a communist lol 


It’s just a joke since tariff obviously aren’t a tenet of free market capitalism.


jmog Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 2:35 PM
posted by kizer permanente

It was obviously said in jest  no I don’t think you’re a communist lol 


It’s just a joke since tariff obviously aren’t a tenet of free market capitalism.


What if one believes in free market capitalism for their country and not having free market trade around the whole world? One can have free market capitalism for their country and charge tariffs for imported goods.


That’s what the US did for the first 170+ years of its existence.


kizer permanente Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 2:58 PM
posted by jmog

What if one believes in free market capitalism for their country and not having free market trade around the whole world? One can have free market capitalism for their country and charge tariffs for imported goods.


That’s what the US did for the first 170+ years of its existence.


Then they’re not truly a free market capitalist? 


QuakerOats Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 3:36 PM
posted by kizer permanente

Then they’re not truly a free market capitalist? 




Then stop with the horrific, one-sided trade agreements that hamstrung the U.S. and caused the offshoring.  And at the same time, go tell China to lift their import taxes so there really is a level playing field.  You can't have it both ways. 

jmog Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 4:10 PM
posted by kizer permanente

Then they’re not truly a free market capitalist? 


Yes, it is possible to be a capitalist for your country, nothing about capitalism says you have to trade freely with other countries. It’s about free markets in your own country.


kizer permanente Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 4:47 PM
posted by jmog

Yes, it is possible to be a capitalist for your country, nothing about capitalism says you have to trade freely with other countries. It’s about free markets in your own country.


The main tenet of Free Market is government staying out of it.  A tariff is the exact opposite of that.  


QuakerOats Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 4:53 PM
posted by kizer permanente

The main tenet of Free Market is government staying out of it.  A tariff is the exact opposite of that.  



Wouldn't need a tariff if real free trade existed globally. 




jmog Senior Member
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Tue, Jun 28, 2022 5:26 PM
posted by kizer permanente

The main tenet of Free Market is government staying out of it.  A tariff is the exact opposite of that.  


Government staying out of inner country regulations, not extra country trading.


QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Jun 30, 2022 11:53 AM

Inflation sends consumer sentiment down to record low

The University of Michigan's consumer sentiment index for June fell to 50.0, the lowest point on record. "Consumers across income, age, education, geographic region, political affiliation, stockholding and homeownership status all posted large declines," said survey director Joanne Hsu, adding: "47% of consumers blamed inflation for eroding their living standards, just one point shy of the all-time high last reached during the Great Recession."

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