2024 Presidential Election Thread

posted by CenterBHSFan

I put the blame on Trump, the mayor of DC and Nancy Pelosi. All of it was terribly mismanaged.

posted by kizer permanente

Young Dems also know Trump bows to Putin, so Russia point is moot. 

posted by kizer permanente

What exactly needs explained.... What's confusing you? 

Is there something confusing about shutting down manufacturing operations for over half a year and it's impact on supply change? Is there something confusing about losing half a million  of the workforce who were still working? And forced another 260,000 into retirement? 

None of this is very confusing to me. 

I'm not confused about anything. But if you are not willing to accept the premise that the administration has not gone out of their way to better address the problem then there is nothing I can say to you that will help you get that. It takes some ability or willingness to understand the outcomes of bad communications.

posted by iclfan2
Lol, we’re still doing this?

Yeah lol

posted by iclfan2
Lol, we’re still doing this?

Didn't we just hear about Trump sending covid testing machines, that we already didn't have enough of,  to him and HE had to tell him not to tell anyone b/c of the optics lol ? B/c Trump's little baby brain couldn't understand that lol. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

I'm not confused about anything. But if you are not willing to accept the premise that the administration has not gone out of their way to better address the problem then there is nothing I can say to you that will help you get that. It takes some ability or willingness to understand the outcomes of bad communications.

If you can't understand any of those points, what is someone trying to explain it to you going to help? They aren't tough concepts.

*** edit**

I don't mean you as you personally.. I'm sure you understand. You're not dumb.

You as a person you're referencing. 

posted by kizer permanente

If you can't understand any of those points, what is someone trying to explain it to you going to help? They aren't tough concepts.

Again, you're limiting yourself when you only think in terms that you yourself are familiar with. 

Part of any administration's job is to explain the root causes of problems to the public. The Biden/Harris administration has not used their communication time wisely. They just haven't. You can be argumentative with me all you want as their defense, but it wasn't my ball to drop.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Again, you're limiting yourself when you only think in terms that you yourself are familiar with. 

Part of any administration's job is to explain the root causes of problems to the public. The Biden/Harris administration has not used their communication time wisely. They just haven't. You can be argumentative with me all you want as their defense, but it wasn't my ball to drop.

But my point is we HAVE heard all of this from the administration. Every point I've made has been echoed by them. So if a person still doesn't grasp that, there's not a ton you can really do. 

posted by kizer permanente

But my point is we HAVE heard all of this from the administration. Every point I've made has been echoed by them. So if a person still doesn't grasp that, there's not a ton you can really do. 

I'd like to see it. 

posted by kizer permanente

My only hope is Trump dies immediately after he loses and we can go back to McCain/Romney Republicans. Hopefully he hasn't ruined that party for good. Then the Dems wont have to nominate the antithesis of Trump too. 

Look, I can’t stand Trump as much as the next guy, and REALLY can’t stand the far left socialists like Sanders, AOC, etc.

That being said, there is not a single one of them I would wish dead.

Why are you just openly admitting you are a terrible human?

From Real Clear Polling, the national average.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/

Clearly the "but Trump!" messaging isn't working. In all reality, the national polling average should not be this close.

posted by jmog

Look, I can’t stand Trump as much as the next guy, and REALLY can’t stand the far left socialists like Sanders, AOC, etc.

That being said, there is not a single one of them I would wish dead.

Why are you just openly admitting you are a terrible human?

Already explain why. As long as he’s around, he’s going to be in front of a crowd …in front of a camera. He’s not going away. He lives for it. And his cult will make sure that remains the Republican party. I don’t care if that hurts your feelings or not bud  

posted by kizer permanente

Already explain why. As long as he’s around, he’s going to be in front of a crowd …in front of a camera. He’s not going away. He lives for it. And his cult will make sure that remains the Republican party. I don’t care if that hurts your feelings or not bud  

My feelings are just fine.

I just find it funny we all make fun of QO for going all lunatic like then you go and do the same thing.  It’s more entertaining watching your crazy melt down than hurting anyone’s feelings.  

And yes, it does make you a terrible human to wish death on a politician.

posted by CenterBHSFan

From Real Clear Polling, the national average.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/

Clearly the "but Trump!" messaging isn't working. In all reality, the national polling average should not be this close.

We should’ve learned from 2016 on poling is dumb. There was also never going to be a way this wasn’t going to be 50-50. The Democrats could’ve ran Jesus Christ himself and it would’ve been 50-50.  I’m still shocked Biden won as much as he did. 

posted by jmog

My feelings are just fine.

I just find it funny we all make fun of QO for going all lunatic like then you go and do the same thing.  It’s more entertaining watching your crazy melt down than hurting anyone’s feelings.  

And yes, it does make you a terrible human to wish death on a politician.

So be at then. It just kills me I don’t have your approval on life jmog lol. I don’t have to wish death on him. He’s on its doorstep. 

posted by kizer permanente

Already explain why. As long as he’s around, he’s going to be in front of a crowd …in front of a camera. He’s not going away. He lives for it. And his cult will make sure that remains the Republican party. I don’t care if that hurts your feelings or not bud  

Is it right leaning populism in general that bothers you? 

posted by CenterBHSFan

Is it right leaning populism in general that bothers you? 

Is Trumps nasty rhetoric, egotism and general lack of intelligence right wing populism? I don’t think it is.  

Is Trump not endorsed by half his cabinet because of right wing populism or because of what I mentioned? 

posted by kizer permanente

Wrong.. he came after me. Hence the defense. But you knew that.

And who is Ride or Die for Kamala? lol 

Because, like a DUMBASS, you're wishing DEATH on someone like a 3 year old.

posted by CenterBHSFan

There's people on here who are ride or die for Kamala and she is every bit as divisive as he is. You never try to insult them, though, in the way you're going after BR. 

I think I've made it clear that I'm not "ride or die" for Trump. I might be ride or die for the Conservatives policies (and even that I don't 100% agree with-see abortion) but I'm not a fanboy of one particular candidate. This could be Vance, Ronald Reagan or Puff the Magic Dragon and if they were running on the same platform, I'd be voting for it. I vote on beliefs, not an individual's personality.