Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
May 18, 2015 4:57pm
Lol sure if you base it off those numbers it looks terrible. Is it a little much for the Dolphins right now, sure? They're banking that what he did last year will continue/he will improve off those numbers. I think it will and I'm sure the Dolphins do too. If Tannehill has another great year or 2 (he was under contract through 2016) he probably cost himself a little bit of money but can't blame him for taking the guaranteed money now.HighRoller74;1729556 wrote:He's 27, or will be before the season, so he's entering his prime.
He's sub .500 for his career, career QBR of 51%, 84 QB Rating those numbers do not scream $100m quarterback to me. He's improved the last 3 years, however, as it stands, its a bad deal for the Dolphins, great deal for Tannehill.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 18, 2015 5:00pm
Oh hell no. Cannot blame him for taking that. 45 mill guarenteed for a QB who really hasnt done anything yet...hell yeah you take it!Iliketurtles;1729558 wrote:Lol sure if you base it off those numbers it looks terrible. Is it a little much for the Dolphins right now, sure? They're banking that what he did last year will continue/he will improve off those numbers. I think it will and I'm sure the Dolphins do too. If Tannehill has another great year or 2 (he was under contract through 2016) he probably cost himself a little bit of money but can't blame him for taking the guaranteed money now.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
May 18, 2015 5:00pm
Hell just give the Dolphins a WR like AJ Green and I'm sure the Dolphins would have been in and won a playoff game in the last 3 years. And that's not even counting that Cincy's Defense has been a lot better than the Dolphins.like_that;1729557 wrote:Better than the Dalton deal. I would take Tannehill over Dalton any day of the week. Have Tannehill switch teams with the Bengals, and the Bengals would have won a playoff game by now.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 18, 2015 5:01pm
Dolphins should've waited a year to see if he takes the leap, or regresses to the mean. Last year was a a good year for him no doubt.Iliketurtles;1729558 wrote:Lol sure if you base it off those numbers it looks terrible. Is it a little much for the Dolphins right now, sure? They're banking that what he did last year will continue/he will improve off those numbers. I think it will and I'm sure the Dolphins do too. If Tannehill has another great year or 2 (he was under contract through 2016) he probably cost himself a little bit of money but can't blame him for taking the guaranteed money now.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 18, 2015 5:07pm
Agreed to an extent. Dalton's deal isn't as bad as most people think. The way it's structured it's essentially a one year deal, after the first 2/3 years. And if Tannehill, is structured the same then it won't be that bad of a deal.like_that;1729557 wrote:Better than the Dalton deal. I would take Tannehill over Dalton any day of the week. Have Tannehill switch teams with the Bengals, and the Bengals would have won a playoff game by now.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 18, 2015 5:08pm
You're right. Definitely do not blame Tannehill taking the money now.thavoice;1729559 wrote:Oh hell no. Cannot blame him for taking that. 45 mill guarenteed for a QB who really hasnt done anything yet...hell yeah you take it!
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 18, 2015 5:08pm
I think the real question now, is Does Luck get more than $180m
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
May 18, 2015 5:09pm
Maybe so but if he does continue to stay around the numbers he put up last season the Dolphins would easily have to pay him at least Dalton money. Better to lock him up now.HighRoller74;1729561 wrote:Dolphins should've waited a year to see if he takes the leap, or regresses to the mean. Last year was a a good year for him no doubt.
Also I read a crazy stat... since he came into the league Tannehill has been sacked more times than any other QB. I knew his Oline wasn't good but I didn't know it was that bad.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 18, 2015 5:27pm
Only other option is doing what Flacco did and continue to ride out the deal and hope for a monster season, well post season, and make total bank but man, 45 million is tough to say no to.HighRoller74;1729565 wrote:You're right. Definitely do not blame Tannehill taking the money now.
Now, if he becomes a legit star he shouldnt piss and moan about not getting paid like the top tier guys.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
May 18, 2015 5:29pm
Not sure what the advanced metrics say but I think this is a good deal for the Dolphins. You gotta pay for a good QB in the NFL and while I don't think Tannehill will be a top 5 QB he could be a top 10 QB over the next 5-8 years which would make it a good deal for the Dolphins.
And hell yes Tannehill is better than Andy Dalton and it's not even close.
And hell yes Tannehill is better than Andy Dalton and it's not even close.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 18, 2015 5:35pm
Dalton's deal was just 17, well basically 21 million guarenteed.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 18, 2015 6:49pm
As a fins fan I'm happy with this, it's only 25 million guaranteed though from what I read.HighRoller74;1729550 wrote:Ryan Tannehill extension 6 years, 94 million. $45m guaranteed.
LOL
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 18, 2015 6:51pm
HighRoller74;1729556 wrote:He's 27, or will be before the season, so he's entering his prime.
He's sub .500 for his career, career QBR of 51%, 84 QB Rating those numbers do not scream $100m quarterback to me. He's improved the last 3 years, however, as it stands, its a bad deal for the Dolphins, great deal for Tannehill.
Have you seen his offensive line play during the time he's been there?
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 18, 2015 7:07pm
Wrong.robj55;1729581 wrote:As a fins fan I'm happy with this, it's only 25 million guaranteed though from what I read.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12909265/ryan-tannehill-miami-dolphins-signs-contract-extension-2020-season
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 18, 2015 7:09pm
Either way I don't care, I'm happy to have him quarterback the team. He is the only viable QB we have had since Marino retired 16 years ago. Sacked more than anyone in the league the last three years and still put up great numbers last season with an injury hit line.HighRoller74;1729583 wrote:Wrong.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12909265/ryan-tannehill-miami-dolphins-signs-contract-extension-2020-season
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 18, 2015 7:13pm
And? Doesn't absolve him of his average play. Prior to this last season, where he finally showed some promise, he's been a sub-par QB.robj55;1729582 wrote:Have you seen his offensive line play during the time he's been there?
Numbers don't lie.
Maybe this past season is who he really is......or maybe not. If it was my team, I'd prefer them to wait a year before spending that type of Money on a QB, who's essentially had one good season, but is still not shown he can be a winning QB in the NFL
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
May 18, 2015 7:16pm
I seem to recall that before last season or so, someone (maybe lhslep?) posted something saying that according to some metric of some sort, he was ranked higher than most people would ever think. To the degree that we were reading that ranking and being like "cool, cool, wait...what the fuck is he doing here!?!?"Terry_Tate;1729570 wrote:Not sure what the advanced metrics say but I think this is a good deal for the Dolphins. You gotta pay for a good QB in the NFL and while I don't think Tannehill will be a top 5 QB he could be a top 10 QB over the next 5-8 years which would make it a good deal for the Dolphins.
And hell yes Tannehill is better than Andy Dalton and it's not even close.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 18, 2015 7:16pm
I get that you're happy he's your QB, hell I'd be happy to have him on the Browns, but not for that contract. Until he proves he can be more consistent.robj55;1729584 wrote:Either way I don't care, I'm happy to have him quarterback the team. He is the only viable QB we have had since Marino retired 16 years ago. Sacked more than anyone in the league the last three years and still put up great numbers last season with an injury hit line.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 18, 2015 7:17pm
Time will tell.HighRoller74;1729585 wrote:And? Doesn't absolve him of his average play. Prior to this last season, where he finally showed some promise, he's been a sub-par QB.
Numbers don't lie.
Maybe this past season is who he really is......or maybe not.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 18, 2015 7:19pm
If he can make in to the Top 10, you might be right. I'm just not sold yet. Need to see a little more.Terry_Tate;1729570 wrote:Not sure what the advanced metrics say but I think this is a good deal for the Dolphins. You gotta pay for a good QB in the NFL and while I don't think Tannehill will be a top 5 QB he could be a top 10 QB over the next 5-8 years which would make it a good deal for the Dolphins.
And hell yes Tannehill is better than Andy Dalton and it's not even close.
But like I said, earlier if they structured it similar to Dalton, where they can cut bait in a couple years without a huge hit, then it's a good deal.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 18, 2015 7:19pm
Usually does.Commander of Awesome;1729588 wrote:Time will tell.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 19, 2015 11:18am
Top ten rated QB's last year were all 30 and older so this is def a veterans position.
More I think of it..this signing isnt terrible. 45 million guarenteed is telling ya they are sticking with him.
Just think about it. Before the rookie wage scale Sam Bradford as a rookie got more guarenteed money than this contract has.
More I think of it..this signing isnt terrible. 45 million guarenteed is telling ya they are sticking with him.
Just think about it. Before the rookie wage scale Sam Bradford as a rookie got more guarenteed money than this contract has.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 19, 2015 12:50pm
There is NO WAY, Andrew Luck is not a top 10 QB.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 19, 2015 12:52pm
ESPNs qbr rating has luck at 11.Laley23;1729662 wrote:There is NO WAY, Andrew Luck is not a top 10 QB.
The regular passing rating has Luck I think 7th of passers wtih 300 attempts or more
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
May 19, 2015 12:59pm
ESPN's qbr... lulz.