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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 8, 2015 12:46pm
I imagine his salary would have been about the same going through the supplemental draft, but he most likely would have ended up at a bad team. At least this way he could choose which team to go to out of those who wanted him.Iliketurtles;1727531 wrote:I don't think really anyone is disagreeing that he should have gone through the supplemental draft. He even requested the league let him drop out of the draft and be allowed in the supplemental draft. The league (Goodell) said no. It's just another thing to go on the resume of the 2nd worse commissioner of all time in all sports.
There really wasn't anything Collins could do about it after that. Every team had a chance to draft him they choose not to. If someone did draft him then Collins could have either signed with them or not sign and just re-enter the draft next year. Since he wasn't drafted he got to do what every other undrafted player does, meet with teams and picks one who wants to sign him.
I think it was too close to the draft for teams to feel comfortable that he wasnt considered a suspect.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 8, 2015 1:17pm
I really don't know wtf mulva is disagreeing about I was just giving my case. It's not about what Collins did, but the fact the league allowed a top prospect slip thru the cracks and choose his own team without giving that team any risk. NFL needs to do all it can do to keep the league competitive and fair. That's allegedly a big part of their job.Iliketurtles;1727531 wrote:I don't think really anyone is disagreeing that he should have gone through the supplemental draft. He even requested the league let him drop out of the draft and be allowed in the supplemental draft. The league (Goodell) said no. It's just another thing to go on the resume of the 2nd worse commissioner of all time in all sports.
There really wasn't anything Collins could do about it after that. Every team had a chance to draft him they choose not to. If someone did draft him then Collins could have either signed with them or not sign and just re-enter the draft next year. Since he wasn't drafted he got to do what every other undrafted player does, meet with teams and picks one who wants to sign him.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
May 8, 2015 1:25pm
Ah I gotcha and yeah definitely agree with you. But what do you expect with Goodell running the show.like_that;1727544 wrote:I really don't know wtf mulva is disagreeing about I was just giving my case. It's not about what Collins did, but the fact the league allowed a top prospect slip thru the cracks and choose his own team without giving that team any risk. NFL needs to do all it can do to keep the league competitive and fair. That's allegedly a big part of their job.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 8, 2015 1:39pm
I don't know how I could possibly make it any clearer. Every team had multiple chances to select him. There was no requirement for teams to pass on him, and there's nothing unfair about a free agent getting to select his own team.like_that;1727544 wrote:I really don't know wtf mulva is disagreeing about I was just giving my case. It's not about what Collins did, but the fact the league allowed a top prospect slip thru the cracks and choose his own team without giving that team any risk. NFL needs to do all it can do to keep the league competitive and fair. That's allegedly a big part of their job.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
May 8, 2015 1:41pm
100% all of this.Mulva;1727552 wrote:I don't know how I could possibly make it any clearer. Every team had multiple chances to select him. There was no requirement for teams to pass on him, and there's nothing unfair about a free agent getting to select his own team.
Wanna blame someone for a free agent getting to pick his team? Blame the 32 teams for not drafting him.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 8, 2015 1:49pm
Mulva;1727552 wrote:I don't know how I could possibly make it any clearer. Every team had multiple chances to select him. There was no requirement for teams to pass on him, and there's nothing unfair about a free agent getting to select his own team.
I get that, but there is a curve ball when the guy says he wont sign beyond the 3rd round (which now seems to be a lie). Add that in with some perceived legal trouble and you have a situation like this.wildcats20;1727553 wrote:100% all of this.
Wanna blame someone for a free agent getting to pick his team? Blame the 32 teams for not drafting him.
I am not even hating on the cowboys. They did what any team should have at least tried to do.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 8, 2015 1:54pm
Agreed.wildcats20;1727553 wrote:100% all of this.
Wanna blame someone for a free agent getting to pick his team? Blame the 32 teams for not drafting him.
Teams draft guys who had tested positive and will begin their career in the program knowing one shot and htey are suspended.
Why not take a flier at him in the 6-7th round?
Supposedly he said he wouldnt sign if he wasnt in the top 3 rounds?
I highly doubt he would not sign and sit out a season.
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friendfromlowry
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May 8, 2015 3:21pm
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 8, 2015 3:25pm
(Knocks wood so it doesn't happen) but it seems like this used to be the Browns every year. Either LeCharles Bentley blowing out his knee or Braylon Edwards cutting his foot running barefoot or some other freak thing, year in and year out.friendfromlowry;1727572 wrote:SMH Jacksonville
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12847295/dante-fowler-jr-jacksonville-jaguars-helped-field-rookie-minicamp
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 8, 2015 3:35pm
Phil Taylor tearing his pec.BR1986FB;1727573 wrote:(Knocks wood so it doesn't happen) but it seems like this used to be the Browns every year. Either LeCharles Bentley blowing out his knee or Braylon Edwards cutting his foot running barefoot or some other freak thing, year in and year out.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 8, 2015 4:14pm
Steinbach's back in 2011, although that one was right before the season and not pre-summer.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 8, 2015 4:46pm
It's utterly ridiculous to blame the NFL for anything relating to Collins. Basically, people are thinking Dallas got an unfair advantage because the guy "lied?" What was stopping any other team from offering more money than Dallas?
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
May 8, 2015 5:32pm
@AdamSchefter: Jaguars' 1st-round pick Dante Fowler tore his ACL and is out for the season, league source tells ESPN. Just wow.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
May 8, 2015 5:50pm
Damn that sucks.wildcats20;1727588 wrote:@AdamSchefter: Jaguars' 1st-round pick Dante Fowler tore his ACL and is out for the season, league source tells ESPN. Just wow.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 8, 2015 6:16pm
No reason at all to have 11 on 11 contact drills on day 1.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 8, 2015 6:23pm
This tiny little document called the CBA and the rules contained therein.Azubuike24;1727583 wrote: What was stopping any other team from offering more money than Dallas?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 8, 2015 6:27pm
Indeed, which brings up another point. If he is a FA, then he should be treated like one.lhslep134;1727595 wrote:This tiny little document called the CBA and the rules contained therein.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 8, 2015 6:30pm
I think what should happen is if a player says "I won't sign blah blah" and gets drafted by a team and the player does not sign; that player is owned by that team forever. You do not get to just enter the draft next year if you refuse to sign. Also, if you don't sign the year you are drafted, you lose any right to the minimums generated by that draft position.like_that;1727596 wrote:Indeed, which brings up another point. If he is a FA, then he should be treated like one.
This would solve the problem of thug cry baby prima-donnas ruining the NFL.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 8, 2015 6:31pm
I would be ok with this too. Something that might want to consider in the next CBA.sleeper;1727599 wrote:I think what should happen is if a player says "I won't sign blah blah" and gets drafted by a team and the player does not sign; that player is owned by that team forever. You do not get to just enter the draft next year if you refuse to sign. Also, if you don't sign the year you are drafted, you lose any right to the minimums generated by that draft position.
This would solve the problem of thug cry baby prima-donnas ruining the NFL.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 8, 2015 7:09pm
I have no idea what you mean by this. He was treated as an UDFA under the rules of the CBA.like_that;1727596 wrote:Indeed, which brings up another point. If he is a FA, then he should be treated like one.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 8, 2015 11:20pm
I assume he means like a regular FA, not as a UDFA.lhslep134;1727601 wrote:I have no idea what you mean by this. He was treated as an UDFA under the rules of the CBA.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 8, 2015 11:37pm
Yes.HighRoller74;1727716 wrote:I assume he means like a regular FA, not as a UDFA.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 9, 2015 10:31am
I wasn't aware there was a limit on UDFA salaries. Does this include 1-year? 3-years? Guaranteed money? How can you put a limit on a free agent?
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 9, 2015 12:00pm
Contracts are 3 years, and the pay is the minimum paragraph 5 salary (which is what any draft pick taken after round 3 gets).Azubuike24;1727746 wrote:I wasn't aware there was a limit on UDFA salaries. Does this include 1-year? 3-years? Guaranteed money? How can you put a limit on a free agent?
The maximum signing bonus teams can give to all combined UDFA signings is $88,000. Reports were the Cowboys gave him less than 30, I think, so that's one difference. Guaranteed money is the other, and the Cowboys fully guaranteed all 3 years.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
May 9, 2015 1:52pm
Cowboys only gave him 21K as a signing bonus which is a lot less than I figured he'd get.