wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
May 7, 2015 4:52pm
He had like 4-5 meetings scheduled. Dallas was just one of the first ones.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 7, 2015 4:53pm
All 32 teams also didn't draft him.like_that;1727396 wrote:All 32 teams called his agent....
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 7, 2015 4:55pm
So let me get this straight, all 32 teams just passed on the second best OL in the draft for shits and giggles? Right...
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 7, 2015 4:56pm
sleeper;1727401 wrote:So let me get this straight, all 32 teams just passed on the second best OL in the draft for shits and giggles? Right...
All 32 teams decided not to waste a draft pick on someone who wouldn't sign. Avoiding someone in the draft who you know won't sign isn't "shits and giggles"
He WANTED teams to draft him late so he wouldn't sign and could then enter next year's draft.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 7, 2015 5:01pm
I got a bridge to sell you if you truly believe this. Either way, the dude is at best a prima-donna POS; perfect fit for the Cowboys actually.lhslep134;1727402 wrote:
All 32 teams decided not to waste a draft pick on someone who wouldn't sign. Avoiding someone in the draft who you know won't sign isn't "shits and giggles"
He WANTED teams to draft him late so he wouldn't sign and could then enter next year's draft.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 7, 2015 5:10pm
But does it come with an iPad?sleeper;1727404 wrote:I got a bridge to sell you if you truly believe this.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 7, 2015 6:14pm
I know he wasn't eligible, but for special circumstances such as collins, I think he should have had to go through the supplemental draft.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 7, 2015 6:27pm
I agree with that.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 7, 2015 7:40pm
Why?like_that;1727414 wrote:I know he wasn't eligible, but for special circumstances such as collins, I think he should have had to go through the supplemental draft.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 7, 2015 10:02pm
He was a first round prospect and wasn't picked due to telling teams he wouldn't sign. All of a sudden he gets the freedom of picking his own team, and in return giving that team essentially an extra first round pick. What's to stop other future first round prospects from doing this and giving the big market teams a competitive advantage?Mulva;1727432 wrote:Why?
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 7, 2015 10:12pm
He told teams he wouldn't sign if he wasn't taken after the 3rd round. Any team could have taken him in those 3 rounds, and any team could have called his bluff and taken him later.like_that;1727450 wrote:He was a first round prospect and wasn't picked due to telling teams he wouldn't sign. All of a sudden he gets the freedom of picking his own team, and in return giving that team essentially an extra first round pick. What's to stop other future first round prospects from doing this and giving the big market teams a competitive advantage?
And money will stop future first round prospects from doing that. He's getting pretty much league minimum for 3 years.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 7, 2015 11:16pm
Or he wasn't bluffing and whoever drafted him would waste a high draft pick.Mulva;1727451 wrote:He told teams he wouldn't sign if he wasn't taken after the 3rd round. Any team could have taken him in those 3 rounds, and any team could have called his bluff and taken him later.
And money will stop future first round prospects from doing that. He's getting pretty much league minimum for 3 years.
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Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 7, 2015 11:27pm
In what world is a 4th or lower a "high draft pick"?
If you voluntarily pass on a guy 8-10 times when he's available, then he may not end up on your team. Thems the breaks.
If you voluntarily pass on a guy 8-10 times when he's available, then he may not end up on your team. Thems the breaks.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 7, 2015 11:33pm
50% of the SB starters were 4th round and beyond picks. I would consider them important.Mulva;1727460 wrote:In what world is a 4th or lower a "high draft pick"?
If you voluntarily pass on a guy 8-10 times when he's available, then he may not end up on your team. Thems the breaks.
I realize this situation is unique, and I don't know how the NFL could determine whether a guy should be the in supplemental draft or not, but to me in a situation like this it should have happened. The cowboys were pretty much gift wrapped a first round pick.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 7, 2015 11:54pm
Here's the thing. It's a strong, and somewhat stupid thing, to just skip a year. I guarantee a lot of guys might "say" they are going to wait another year and enter next year's draft, but it's a whole different matter when that job offer comes a calling. Even if that's an offer as a 5th rounder. Or whatever he would've been had someone picked him on Saturday.
The ONLY guys with any leverage in situations like that will be someone who has money and could afford to basically be a year removed from any football games. It COULD happen in the future, but most top prospects would much rather get their careers started sooner than later, meaning less time until they can actually get a decent contract. Rookies essentially play their first 4 years for pennies, considering the ones who become impact players probably have 1 shot to actually get paid.
The ONLY guys with any leverage in situations like that will be someone who has money and could afford to basically be a year removed from any football games. It COULD happen in the future, but most top prospects would much rather get their careers started sooner than later, meaning less time until they can actually get a decent contract. Rookies essentially play their first 4 years for pennies, considering the ones who become impact players probably have 1 shot to actually get paid.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 8, 2015 12:30am
That statement just doesn't make any sense. Any of the other 31 teams could have grabbed a "first round pick" in the 3rd round (and possibly later, we'll never know). None of them chose to do so. There's nothing unfair about not getting a player that you voluntarily chose to avoid drafting.like_that;1727461 wrote:The cowboys were pretty much gift wrapped a first round pick.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
May 8, 2015 12:37am
The thing that gives the Cowboys a leg up, on these type of things, is if Gregory goes total headcase, or Collins really killed that woman....Jerry Jones isn't going to fire himself.
Where as if it were the Browns, Ray Farmer would be on the first plane out of town.
Where as if it were the Browns, Ray Farmer would be on the first plane out of town.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
May 8, 2015 6:22am
And if the Browns had signed him you all wouldn't say a single word other than how great of a signing it was.
Come on.
Come on.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 8, 2015 8:23am
There's also a lot more pressure on Jerry. He takes the heat for just about every decision made by the organization. Heck, a bad route, dropped ball, fumble, game execution, he's involved. You get the good with the bad.HighRoller74;1727465 wrote:The thing that gives the Cowboys a leg up, on these type of things, is if Gregory goes total headcase, or Collins really killed that woman....Jerry Jones isn't going to fire himself.
Where as if it were the Browns, Ray Farmer would be on the first plane out of town.
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
May 8, 2015 8:23am
Kind of sounds like Collins got the raw end here at least financially. Not being a suspect to a crime cost him 8 figures
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 8, 2015 9:29am
I would have liked the signing, but I still think he should have gone through the supplemental draft.wildcats20;1727471 wrote:And if the Browns had signed him you all wouldn't say a single word other than how great of a signing it was.
Come on.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 8, 2015 10:37am
Not me. I like non-prima donna thugs on my team.wildcats20;1727471 wrote:And if the Browns had signed him you all wouldn't say a single word other than how great of a signing it was.
Come on.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 8, 2015 11:30am
Firstly, note the Supplemental Draft is a process designed to allow individuals, who did not enter April’s initial draft, entry into the league. Players typically go the route of entering the Supplemental draft for special or unideal circumstances. Often the cause is underclassmen have not declared their intent to gain early entry into the league in order to be an applicant in April’s draft prior to the listed deadline to do so — and have been ruled ineligible for the forthcoming college football season. Reasons for being ruled ineligible are generally due to academic infraction or disciplinary consequence.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 8, 2015 12:12pm
Pryor trying out for the Bengals.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
May 8, 2015 12:41pm
I don't think really anyone is disagreeing that he should have gone through the supplemental draft. He even requested the league let him drop out of the draft and be allowed in the supplemental draft. The league (Goodell) said no. It's just another thing to go on the resume of the 2nd worse commissioner of all time in all sports.like_that;1727491 wrote:I would have liked the signing, but I still think he should have gone through the supplemental draft.
There really wasn't anything Collins could do about it after that. Every team had a chance to draft him they choose not to. If someone did draft him then Collins could have either signed with them or not sign and just re-enter the draft next year. Since he wasn't drafted he got to do what every other undrafted player does, meet with teams and picks one who wants to sign him.