Gotta say Waynedale really underachieved this year with that group of athletes. With his buddy out as AD, I've got to believe there's some heat beginning under the head coach. That team had enough talent to finish better than it will.

Hunter86;1666308 wrote:He took his ball & went home !

Never....I will always be here with one purpose....to discredit ALL of the vomit that YOU spew on here.

jaco;1666327 wrote:Gotta say Waynedale really underachieved this year with that group of athletes. With his buddy out as AD, I've got to believe there's some heat beginning under the head coach. That team had enough talent to finish better than it will.

I agree about them underachieving this year but don't you think that his "buddy" made him accountable? Just knowing his "buddy", I would think that he wasn't happy with 0-10, hence they did go 6-4 the following year.

1_beast;1666261 wrote:Smell away.


I'll believe it when I see it! BEARS.....Well. We got out coached.



Coaching wit in the Creek: I dont know. I DO know I have parents asking if we only have "x" plays in the book! I also know #28 didn't touch the ball the last 5 possessions@ Dalton!!!!!!!????? I also KNOW there is too much talent on this team to have this record. WCALFAN has chased people away, he's in hiding too! LOL



It was easy to type. Good coach...athletes buy in. (Don't make upfor the previous 50 years)




The Chipps should start their prep for 4th in the WCAL in wrestling. So many football athletes...so little wrestling. Girls highlight your team......................well...I guess you lost them.




Waynedale showed speed....but shit their pants. Falcons played Loudonville....whos would cripple the Chipps. Don't underestimate. Tommy W has seen better...



Shitty popcorn...



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Where is WCALFAN?

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Alum01;1666174 wrote:Speaking of coaching wit, what up in the creek? Has Wcal scared all the locals into to hiding or has the program reached the point where we were for a very long time, fans don't give a @#@! and the kids soon follow? Will we here from Wcal after you get the win this week after you rough up a program that is not to far below where you are?

P.S have not heard from Wcal about the offer I extended to him about picking him up this week, O well, maybe he will come to the playoffs and give us some words of wisdom, you know he has been in way more many big games then we can dream of, only not in the last 9 years.

Never get on here to gloat after wins...just on here to disprove the vomit. 9 years??? Try again junior!

The Bears will be fine. Four of their five losses were to extremely heavy senior led teams. Ridgewood, Triway, Hillsdale and Dalton. All four will be romps next year as the Bears return nearly ever one on the team. Chippewa will also have some huge holes to plug next year on the lines.
A team made up of underclassmen is going to make mistakes and struggle against senior led competition in most cases. The added size and experience from junior to senior year is huge.
Hate on the coach? That is fine. he has made mistakes that all good armchair QB's can point out. Bottom line is that no one on here could lead a competitive team if given the opportunity.

My guess is some on here are from the old days when the WCAL was mostly a 3 team league and you got five wins just by showing up against Hillsdale, Norwayne, NW, Chippewa and Rittman. Many of those Waynedale, Dalton & Smithville teams would have struggled to be .500 with the balance the league has now. There is no argument to that. The WCAL used to flat out stink.

Havin Fun;1666421 wrote:The Bears will be fine. Four of their five losses were to extremely heavy senior led teams. Ridgewood, Triway, Hillsdale and Dalton. All four will be romps next year as the Bears return nearly ever one on the team. Chippewa will also have some huge holes to plug next year on the lines.
A team made up of underclassmen is going to make mistakes and struggle against senior led competition in most cases. The added size and experience from junior to senior year is huge.
Hate on the coach? That is fine. he has made mistakes that all good armchair QB's can point out. Bottom line is that no one on here could lead a competitive team if given the opportunity.

My guess is some on here are from the old days when the WCAL was mostly a 3 team league and you got five wins just by showing up against Hillsdale, Norwayne, NW, Chippewa and Rittman. Many of those Waynedale, Dalton & Smithville teams would have struggled to be .500 with the balance the league has now. There is no argument to that. The WCAL used to flat out stink.

Depends on when you're talking. There were definitely 8-2 or 9-1 teams back then that wouldn't fair as well if they played in this version of the WCAL, but there are many that would have probably eaten this league alive, too.

Otrap - I am sure you are correct there are a few teams that would have had decent years. When you start the year knowing you have five wins by just showing up, it did not take an immense amount of talent or coaching in those days to be 7-3 or 8-2 if you were one of the Big 3.
I go go as far as to say a 1,000 yards rushing in the league now is an actual accomplishment. Back in the 70s, 80s and 90s that could occur in games against the five sisters of the poor.
Whole different game and level of play now compared to back then.

One other point I forgot to mention is kids are faster and bigger than 20-40 years ago. Some of the modern Hillsdale and Norwayne teams were huge and fast compared to anything we saw back in the day.
I just get tired of the negative talk on this site. Complete lack of respect for the kids and coaches that are working each day to do their best.

Havin Fun;1666440 wrote:Otrap - I am sure you are correct there are a few teams that would have had decent years. When you start the year knowing you have five wins by just showing up, it did not take an immense amount of talent or coaching in those days to be 7-3 or 8-2 if you were one of the Big 3.
I go go as far as to say a 1,000 yards rushing in the league now is an actual accomplishment. Back in the 70s, 80s and 90s that could occur in games against the five sisters of the poor.
Whole different game and level of play now compared to back then.

On a year-to-year basis, I don't know about that, but this year has been quite an anomaly. I've only been following WCAL football for about 16 years, but there have been stints of Dalton, Smithville, and Waynedale being the "big 3" in the league during that time, and I still can think of some players during those eras that would have shined in our current era, or even this year, and would serve as quite an ace in the hole for their respective teams.

Josh Hendrix and even Brian Zuercher from Waynedale.
Derek Jackson from Dalton.
Aaron Long or one of the Beichler kids from Smithville.
The Steiner/Slater two-headed attack from Norwayne.
Jesse Richards from Rittman.
Chase Holcomb from Northwestern.

I'm sure I'm even leaving out some who would play at a high level in the league today.

The league is interesting this year in part because of the parity, but parity doesn't always mean that the entire league is just better. I think this league has a higher basement than most years, but also a lower ceiling than many of those years. During some of those times, WCAL teams would be favorites to make it a few rounds in the playoffs. I don't really see that this year. Naturally, I'd be thrilled to be wrong, and I do think the parity is a sign of good things around the conference overall. I'm just not sure you could take some of the teams that went to regional final games from back then and suggest they wouldn't see the same success today. I don't see any indicators of that. That doesn't mean I think the competition is, overall, worse today. I don't. I think it's about as stiff on average as it's been since I've been following, but not necessarily moreso.

Not sure if you have the ability Otrap to find old movies or videos from games in the 70s thru 90s? If so, watch them. You will see how far high school football has come in the last 15 years or so. There are kids who were stars at 130 or 140 pounds. Would get crushed playing even at little schools like the WCAL. The play is closer to backyard football that what we see today. I am an old timer. Athletes today would absolutely smoke us if we played them in nearly any sport. Sure there were the Larry Kolics and a few superstars that could play today. The majority of guys that played in the day would be bench warmers today.
Yes, teams went deeper years ago as well. You have to remember that there were fewer divisions and less than half the teams who qualified compared to today. Playing in a weak WCAL meant you were going to pick up 5 easy wins minimum to help get in the playoffs. Once you got there, you only had to win a game to be in the regional final.

Havin Fun;1666447 wrote:Not sure if you have the ability Otrap to find old movies or videos from games in the 70s thru 90s? If so, watch them. You will see how far high school football has come in the last 15 years or so. There are kids who were stars at 130 or 140 pounds. Would get crushed playing even at little schools like the WCAL. The play is closer to backyard football that what we see today. I am an old timer. Athletes today would absolutely smoke us if we played them in nearly any sport. Sure there were the Larry Kolics and a few superstars that could play today. The majority of guys that played in the day would be bench warmers today.
Yes, teams went deeper years ago as well. You have to remember that there were fewer divisions and less than half the teams who qualified compared to today. Playing in a weak WCAL meant you were going to pick up 5 easy wins minimum to help get in the playoffs. Once you got there, you only had to win a game to be in the regional final.

To be sure, we have more at our disposal in the way of training. The ability to become a top-quality athlete exists today in a much fuller capacity.

However, we do also have more distractions today. Again, I've only been around since the late '90s or so, and while things like the Internet and video gaming systems and the like existed back then, they weren't in every home, and there wasn't the same appeal to draw kids' attentions to activities that perpetuate a sedentary life. This, along with an increase in athletic specialization at an earlier age, and a more diverse buffet of sports to choose from would negate much of the incremental benefits we've seen from advancements in strength and speed training.

The time around which I was talking was within the last 15 years (very early within those 15 years, but still). We didn't really have many people on the team that small, but that's as far back as I go. I would suggest that it's possible to be small and succeed. Two big names come to the top of mind: Archie Griffin and Muhammad Ali. Both were told they were too small for their respective sports. Granted, they are the exception to the rule, but special players already are as a default anyway.

Regarding the playoffs, fewer divisions and fewer teams making it per region only means it was that much more difficult to get in. Playing those 5 weak teams in the WCAL actually hurt your chances, because only the top four in each region made the playoffs. I recall Smithville, for example, missing the playoffs entirely in 1998 with a record of 9-1. Beating up on a weak schedule used to leave you to watch the games in week 11. That's one of the plus-sides of the Harbin point system as opposed to just going on a team's record.

And too, if your record is inflated by playing scrub teams, then the playoffs should expose you pretty quickly, which is why winning even one game against another top-4 team in your region is cause to consider the team a good one, because at that point, they're not beating up on scrubs. They're beating up on a top-4 team in the region. I have no frame of reference for the '70s through most of the '90s, but I would put most top-4 teams in lower divisions in the last 15 years up against teams in this league this year. Even the best of them.

Wow - all great points O-Trap. I will go back to my original post on this topic. It was to point out to all these people who are upset when their team isn't 7-3, 8-2 9-1 or 10-0 each year and want to blame the kids or the coach. The reason the Bears or any other team will probably not do that now year after year is that the WCAL is actually a decently balanced league. I can tell you, it was a joke in the 70s and 80s. Waynedale, Smithville and Dalton could have sent 8'th grade teams to many of the games and still won.
It didn't take a great coach or a great team to have a winning record if you went to one of the big 3 schools. You just had to show up many nights.

If the argument is that the WCAL - simply due to parity - is better today than at any time in its past, that's a deeply flawed argument. Let me watch the playoffs and I'll be the judge of just how good these teams are. Even easier, let me look at "out of conference" wins. I don't believe any team in Waynedale's past would've had 74 hung on it no matter what the circumstances.

Absolutely no way back up a statement about an offensive philosophy that did not even exist in the old days and claim your defense would not have given up 74 points. Compare size and speed to athletes from 20-40 years ago. There is no comparison. The average D1 linemen in college in 1980 weighed 210 pounds. The average today is close to 300 lbs. same goes for team speed. A 4.9 40 in 1979 was fast. That is dog crap now.

Havin Fun;1666460 wrote:Absolutely no way back up a statement about an offensive philosophy that did not even exist in the old days and claim your defense would not have given up 74 points. Compare size and speed to athletes from 20-40 years ago. There is no comparison. The average D1 linemen in college in 1980 weighed 210 pounds. The average today is close to 300 lbs. same goes for team speed. A 4.9 40 in 1979 was fast. That is dog crap now.

Hey now! I ran a 4.9!

I was a TE, though.

Time passes us all by Otrap! Haha

For the big game I say 31-14 Chipps.

Alum01;1666191 wrote:IF you don't rattle the pipes once in awhile s@$# gets stuck to the side and eventually everything stops. Prepare for along ride home back to Ashland County, you have a nice team but come Monday start you basketball and wrestling practices with the rest of the county to get a jump start on us this year in the winter sports.

Looks like Hillsdale may be hosting 1st round.

Congrats to Coach Williams and the Falcons. That is a huge win that not many people saw coming, especially when the season started. Sounded like a great game listening on the radio.

O-Trap;1666463 wrote:Hey now! I ran a 4.9!

I was a TE, though.

4.7 :RpS_flapper::RpS_lol:

Congrats Hillsdale. Both teams played sloppy at times, but the falcons dominated the line of scrimmage most of the night. They never allowed Chippewa to get in a rhythm, and from a coaching standpoint was always one step ahead.

Great high school football game tonite. Very sloppy at times. Chippewa has a very good team with talent all around. I am surprised the chipps didn't throw more.....very talented qb and the receivers seemed to have an advantage over hillsdale's secondary. Huge win for the falcons! This team plays with heart n makes enough plays on offense to get it done. Solid win

was_that_it;1666498 wrote:Great high school football game tonite. Very sloppy at times. Chippewa has a very good team with talent all around. I am surprised the chipps didn't throw more.....very talented qb and the receivers seemed to have an advantage over hillsdale's secondary. Huge win for the falcons! This team plays with heart n makes enough plays on offense to get it done. Solid win

Chippewa definitely had the advantage on the outside, but really never had time to throw deep. Hillsdale collapsed the pocket most of the night.

Updates from Drew Pasteur on Twitter tonight: Loudonville, Triway, and now Wooster and Hillsdale, have all clinched playoff berths. Chippewa is close, they could once all scores are in tonight.

Wcal observer;1665287 wrote:I have been critical of the Chipps defense at times. The secondary is lights out, but the front 7 has had its struggles at times. Yes Norwayne exposed them some, and Waynedale to a lesser extent. That being said, Hillsdale doesn't bring a Miller to the table. I know Mager is a good back, but Hillsdsle, much like Dalton and Smithville doesn't bring the speed needed to hurt Chippewa. Smithville averaged 3.8 yards a carry vs. the Chipps, and never showed the ability to go the distance on any play. When Chippewa plays aggressively, and blitzes, they are at their best.
I know Hillsdsle has been strong defensively, but they have yet see the speed that Chippewa will put all over the field. Sure, Breitenstein is the straw that stirs the drink, but they have 4/5 other weapons that can hurt you from anywhere on the field. Also, they have the ability to go up top, or grind it out. I expect a good game, but Chippewa to pull away and win the title!

Alum01;1666125 wrote:Chipps by 3 touchdowns, boys are smelling 10-0. D-town will be rocking come Friday night. No other games in the league really matter, so only predicting this one.

Wcal observer;1666146 wrote:The trendy thing to do each week is pick the upset of the year! Down went Norwayne, down went Waynedale, down went Dalton, down went Smithville. I'm not saying this team makes a deep playoff run, but only Norwayne has stayed under a 20 point deficit with them this year.....keeping picking against them.....they love the disrespect card! Chipps win this going away!

Wcal observer;1666194 wrote:Hillsdale hasn't seen an offense, or the speed that they will either. Hillsdale's offense will have to score, and they have been rather weak in that area. Even if Hillsdale's defense and Chippewa's offense are a draw, the Chipps defense is further ahead than the falcons offense.

Alum01;1666193 wrote:Wish them luck, how about the Falcons? I think they lose this week, can they still gat in with another lose? Is there another team that really has a chance?

Alum01;1666200 wrote:OVER at halftime!

Funny how much your tunes changed after the game was played.

Wcal observer;1666496 wrote:Congrats Hillsdale. Both teams played sloppy at times, but the falcons dominated the line of scrimmage most of the night. They never allowed Chippewa to get in a rhythm, and from a coaching standpoint was always one step ahead.

A perfect example of why you leave the talking to be done on the field.