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jmog
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Nov 14, 2013 2:39pm
Kosar was not better than Montana, Marino, etc of his time, but he was easily top 10 QB in the league during his time.Heretic;1535609 wrote:Using your own logic, only Cleveland fans think Kosar was really that good.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Nov 14, 2013 2:41pm
As has been Ben for most of his time. This year, I'd say no. But for much of his career, yes.jmog;1535610 wrote:Kosar was not better than Montana, Marino, etc of his time, but he was easily top 10 QB in the league during his time.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 14, 2013 2:49pm
My comments were about his play in SUPER BOWLS, not the games leading up to it.Automatik;1535607 wrote:Played pretty well in both playoff runs leading up to the title, especially the first one. No one gave them a chance against Indy and he lit up the Broncos in their house.
Yeah, he only can hang his hat on the GAME WINNING DRIVE of the Super Bowl.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 14, 2013 3:01pm
I'm not a Dallas fan and I know that Romo is clearly superior to Big Ben right now. Get off your gd damn high horse dude it's a bad look on you.Automatik;1535567 wrote:And only Dallas fans continue to blow Romo and excuse him for his fuckups. See how that works? I don't buy into media bullshit, I watch games and see for myself.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 3:37pm
I admit he's definitely having a better season, no doubt about it. He's not a better QB though. Like I said, for the 3rd time...agree to disagree.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 14, 2013 3:40pm
FIFYClassyposter58;1534741 wrote:He's honestly 7th I'd say
#1 Det tigers
#2 Rodgers
#3 Brady
#4 P. Manning
#5 Brees
#6 Luck
#7 Roethlisberger
#8 Stafford
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Zombaypirate
Posts: 581
Nov 14, 2013 4:07pm
Megatron vs Primetime interesting.
Lets see 6'5 239lbs vs 6'1 195lbs Primetime around a 4.2 or 4.3 40 vs 4.35. Primetime is faster but, the size difference is the big difference. Of course it depends on play calling but in a jump ball situation Megatron simply beats Primetime down.
I love Primetime who is a HOF corner and one of if not the best corners, but Megatron IMO wins this duel and gains well over 100 yards without being double teamed.
Lets see 6'5 239lbs vs 6'1 195lbs Primetime around a 4.2 or 4.3 40 vs 4.35. Primetime is faster but, the size difference is the big difference. Of course it depends on play calling but in a jump ball situation Megatron simply beats Primetime down.
I love Primetime who is a HOF corner and one of if not the best corners, but Megatron IMO wins this duel and gains well over 100 yards without being double teamed.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 14, 2013 4:39pm
If he gains say 140 yards but Deion has 2 pass deflections and an INT returned 40 yards....Zombaypirate;1535675 wrote:Megatron vs Primetime interesting.
Lets see 6'5 239lbs vs 6'1 195lbs Primetime around a 4.2 or 4.3 40 vs 4.35. Primetime is faster but, the size difference is the big difference. Of course it depends on play calling but in a jump ball situation Megatron simply beats Primetime down.
I love Primetime who is a HOF corner and one of if not the best corners, but Megatron IMO wins this duel and gains well over 100 yards without being double teamed.
Who then?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 4:45pm
He hasn't had a better season than Romo in quite a few years, not just this season.Automatik;1535650 wrote:I admit he's definitely having a better season, no doubt about it. He's not a better QB though. Like I said, for the 3rd time...agree to disagree.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 4:48pm
We've changed the subject homey! He doubled him up in INTS last year and both sat home for the playoffs. WASH!
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 14, 2013 5:42pm
Automatik;1535703 wrote:We've changed the subject homey! He doubled him up in INTS last year and both sat home for the playoffs. WASH!
Actually it's not. Romo wins.
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Zombaypirate
Posts: 581
Nov 14, 2013 6:31pm
I really doubt that happens. The speed is really close but, the size is on Megatrons side. I am an old guy, that has watched these guys play. Like I said it depends on play calling but Primetime cannot hang with a 6'5" 239 lb beast.Ironman92;1535697 wrote:If he gains say 140 yards but Deion has 2 pass deflections and an INT returned 40 yards....
Who then?
Imagine Megatron with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning throwing him the ball??? It would be horrible for any corner that ever existed, focus on 6'5" 239lbs that runs a 4.35.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 6:33pm
Combine the last 4 seasons and Romo has a better TD/int ratio and completion percentage. So no, Roethlisberger is not just worse this season.Automatik;1535703 wrote:We've changed the subject homey! He doubled him up in INTS last year and both sat home for the playoffs. WASH!
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 6:35pm
Show me the numbers bro!
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 6:38pm
A bit off topic, but what about Dorial Green-Beckham's NFL future? Megatron clone? 6'6, 225 lb freshman and he's already wow'ing people at Mizzou.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 14, 2013 6:51pm
Gawd. I am flattered at all of this Romo support. Glad you guys have finally decided to drink the kool-aid I've been serving.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 14, 2013 6:56pm
Sophomore. But yeah, he's a stud.Automatik;1535790 wrote:A bit off topic, but what about Dorial Green-Beckham's NFL future? Megatron clone? 6'6, 225 lb freshman and he's already wow'ing people at Mizzou.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 14, 2013 6:56pm
Nobody cares about you and Romo. People only care about Romo right now because some posters are saying Big Ben is an equal when he's not.Pick6;1535801 wrote:Gawd. I am flattered at all of this Romo support. Glad you guys have finally decided to drink the kool-aid I've been serving.
If this was a Tony Romo vs. Matt Ryan or Tony Romo vs. Philip Rivers nobody would give a sh*t.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 7:00pm
Derppppp. Thought it was this off season Green-Beckham mentioned OSU and people went gaga for a minute.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 14, 2013 7:05pm
lhslep134;1535807 wrote:Nobody cares about you and Romo. People only care about Romo right now because some posters are saying Big Ben is an equal when he's not.
If this was a Tony Romo vs. Matt Ryan or Tony Romo vs. Philip Rivers nobody would give a sh*t.
Agreed. Fail post all around.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Nov 14, 2013 7:09pm
And imagine if the Lions had another good receiver. I mean their second and third option is Kris Durham and Kevin Ogletree lol. Reggie Bush went a long way in helping this offense though, I mean a long way but Tillman was absolutely abused by him last weekendZombaypirate;1535784 wrote:I really doubt that happens. The speed is really close but, the size is on Megatrons side. I am an old guy, that has watched these guys play. Like I said it depends on play calling but Primetime cannot hang with a 6'5" 239 lb beast.
Imagine Megatron with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning throwing him the ball??? It would be horrible for any corner that ever existed, focus on 6'5" 239lbs that runs a 4.35.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 14, 2013 7:15pm
Burleson isnt good?Classyposter58;1535817 wrote:And imagine if the Lions had another good receiver. I mean their second and third option is Kris Durham and Kevin Ogletree lol. Reggie Bush went a long way in helping this offense though, I mean a long way but Tillman was absolutely abused by him last weekend
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 14, 2013 7:58pm
There are a ton of other factors....Deion was the best baiter of all-time meaning he could make it look like he just needed the QB to get it there and not be perfect....but Deion had speed to make up ground and if not intercept...he'd knock it away. Mixed with the fact that no matter how good Calvin is, Deion is on him and the gap between other receivers and defenders is likely greater and less risky, meaning fewer ball than normal going his way.Zombaypirate;1535784 wrote:I really doubt that happens. The speed is really close but, the size is on Megatrons side. I am an old guy, that has watched these guys play. Like I said it depends on play calling but Primetime cannot hang with a 6'5" 239 lb beast.
Imagine Megatron with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning throwing him the ball??? It would be horrible for any corner that ever existed, focus on 6'5" 239lbs that runs a 4.35.
Regardless, it would be awesome to watch. Still think Woodson is the better matchup though.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 14, 2013 8:03pm
Oh and BTW....I gave Megatron 140 yards...which equals out to 2240 yards on the season, he isn't doing that against a bunch of guys that are "pretty good".....he sure in the hell can't be assumed to do it to one of the top cover guys of all-time.Zombaypirate;1535784 wrote:I really doubt that happens. The speed is really close but, the size is on Megatrons side. I am an old guy, that has watched these guys play. Like I said it depends on play calling but Primetime cannot hang with a 6'5" 239 lb beast.
Imagine Megatron with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning throwing him the ball??? It would be horrible for any corner that ever existed, focus on 6'5" 239lbs that runs a 4.35.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 14, 2013 9:43pm
Kosar was one of the best I've ever seen against a blitz.jmog;1535608 wrote:You can't directly compare stats from the 80s to today with the new 'easier' passing rules.
However, compare Kosar to a hall of famer from his time in Elway.
Kosar
Completion-59.3
TD/INT-1.43
QB Rating-81.8
Elway
Completion-56.9
TD/INT-1.33
QB Rating-79.9
Marino
Completion-59.4
TD/INT-1.67
QB Rating-86.4
I would say (obviously) Marino was the best of the 3, but Kosar statistically was better than Elway.
Elway had so game of eluding and running downfield.....Kosar had about size 18 feet and was as slow as Scott Mitchell.
Those Browns teams were loaded....just nasty on defense with tons of weapons on offense, hard to believe they didn't win a SB in the 80's or play for a couple.