Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Nov 12, 2013 11:22pm
He's honestly 7th I'd saysleeper;1534439 wrote:Stafford isn't a pro bowl QB. He's not even top 10.
#1 Rodgers
#2 Brady
#3 P. Manning
#4 Brees
#5 Luck
#6 Roethlisberger
#7 Stafford
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Nov 12, 2013 11:29pm
I'd put Matt Ryan and maybe Philip rivers in front tooClassyposter58;1534741 wrote:He's honestly 7th I'd say
#1 Rodgers
#2 Brady
#3 P. Manning
#4 Brees
#5 Luck
#6 Roethlisberger
#7 Stafford
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Nov 12, 2013 11:38pm
No way Rivers, and Ryan maybe but I want to see how this season ends. Two years ago when all the receivers stayed healthy he had 41 TD's passing, last year the next 5 on the depth chart were lost for the season except for Calvin, and really he has Megatron, and a bunch of average receivers. Honestly it's Calvin then Durham then Ogletree and the TE's are Fauria an undrafted rookie and Pettigrew who cannot catch anything. And he's had a nice season so farwes_mantooth;1534744 wrote:I'd put Matt Ryan and maybe Philip rivers in front too
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 13, 2013 12:18am
Top 11.Classyposter58;1534741 wrote:He's honestly 7th I'd say
#1 Rodgers
#2 Brady
#3 P. Manning
#4 Brees
#5 Luck
#6 Roethlisberger
#7 Stafford
Me?
Posts: 547
Nov 13, 2013 9:43am
If Peyton Manning isn't #1 your list is wrong.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 13, 2013 11:23am
I think the bigger foul in his list is Brady above Peyton.Me?;1534839 wrote:If Peyton Manning isn't #1 your list is wrong.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 13, 2013 1:30pm
Did you really just put Roeghlisberger as the 6th best QB in the league?Classyposter58;1534741 wrote:He's honestly 7th I'd say
#1 Rodgers
#2 Brady
#3 P. Manning
#4 Brees
#5 Luck
#6 Roethlisberger
#7 Stafford
You have lost all credibility
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 13, 2013 1:33pm
Who's better? Romo? Rivers? Ryan? LOL
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 13, 2013 1:36pm
1. Peyton
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. Brady
5. Luck
6. Ryan
7. Rivers
8. Romo
9. Wilson
10. Stafford
Romo gets hated on but please show me a season where Romo had lower than top 10 QB stats.
Stafford's passer rating has been bad most seasons, heck, last year he was below Christian freaking Ponder.
Stafford has a big arm and the best WR in the game, he still makes a lot of bad decisions however.
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. Brady
5. Luck
6. Ryan
7. Rivers
8. Romo
9. Wilson
10. Stafford
Romo gets hated on but please show me a season where Romo had lower than top 10 QB stats.
Stafford's passer rating has been bad most seasons, heck, last year he was below Christian freaking Ponder.
Stafford has a big arm and the best WR in the game, he still makes a lot of bad decisions however.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 13, 2013 1:37pm
Yes, yes, yes.Automatik;1535048 wrote:Who's better? Romo? Rivers? Ryan? LOL
I would put Wilson up there too, and to be honest, the way Foles has played so far this season he might even end up better.
I love Stafford in fantasy as he racks up the yards, but look at his completion % and passer rating, its not that good.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 13, 2013 1:37pm
I knew it. :laugh:
Carry on.
Carry on.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 13, 2013 1:42pm
Rivers career statsClassyposter58;1534753 wrote:No way Rivers, and Ryan maybe but I want to see how this season ends. Two years ago when all the receivers stayed healthy he had 41 TD's passing, last year the next 5 on the depth chart were lost for the season except for Calvin, and really he has Megatron, and a bunch of average receivers. Honestly it's Calvin then Durham then Ogletree and the TE's are Fauria an undrafted rookie and Pettigrew who cannot catch anything. And he's had a nice season so far
Completion-64.3%
TD/INT-2.56
Passer Rating-95.5
Stafford's Stats
Completion-60.1%
TD/INT-1.62
Passer Rating-84.7
So yeah, Rivers is better in every category except total yards and that's only because Detroit slings it much more.
Completion Percentage and touchdown to interception ratio are 2 of the most important stats for a QB. On top of that QB rating is the one that the NFL uses to rank QBs.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 13, 2013 1:43pm
None of them are better quarterbacks than Roethlisberger.....right now. Romo and Rivers, not ever. That's just laughable. I'm skeptical about Matt Ryan too until he brings it in the clutch.jmog;1535051 wrote:Yes, yes, yes.
I would put Wilson up there too, and to be honest, the way Foles has played so far this season he might even end up better.
I love Stafford in fantasy as he racks up the yards, but look at his completion % and passer rating, its not that good.
If you want to approach the discussion on who you would take to QB your team right now. Roethlisberger would be further down my list in that regard.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 13, 2013 1:46pm
By bring it in the clutch you mean like Joe Flacco? Is he #1 on your list? LOLAutomatik;1535058 wrote:None of them are better quarterbacks than Roethlisberger.....right now. Romo and Rivers, not ever. That's just laughable. I'm skeptical about Matt Ryan too until he brings it in the clutch.
If you want to approach the discussion on who you would take to QB your team right now. Roethlisberger would be further down my list in that regard.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 13, 2013 1:48pm
For comparison
Ben Roethlisberger
Completion-63.2%
TD/INT-1.73
QB Rating-92.3
Romo
Completion-64.7%
TD/INT-2.04
QB Rating-95.9
Ryan
Completion-63.3%
TD/INT-2.04
QB Rating-90.9
Maybe Big Ben is better than Stafford, that might have been a mistake putting Stafford 10th and Ben off the top 10, but Romo, Rivers, and Ryan are better than both in my opinion.
Ben Roethlisberger
Completion-63.2%
TD/INT-1.73
QB Rating-92.3
Romo
Completion-64.7%
TD/INT-2.04
QB Rating-95.9
Ryan
Completion-63.3%
TD/INT-2.04
QB Rating-90.9
Maybe Big Ben is better than Stafford, that might have been a mistake putting Stafford 10th and Ben off the top 10, but Romo, Rivers, and Ryan are better than both in my opinion.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 13, 2013 1:51pm
Stats are great, but unfortunately for your argument they don't tell the whole story.
I've seen Romo and Rivers suck it up way too often when it mattered.
Nope, but no doubt he brought it last year. One year wonder?
I've seen Romo and Rivers suck it up way too often when it mattered.
sleeper;1535060 wrote:By bring it in the clutch you mean like Joe Flacco? Is he #1 on your list? LOL
Nope, but no doubt he brought it last year. One year wonder?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 13, 2013 1:53pm
"Clutch" is subjective, look strictly at performance and stats and Romo, River, and Ryan are better than Roethlisberger over their whole careers.Automatik;1535058 wrote:None of them are better quarterbacks than Roethlisberger.....right now. Romo and Rivers, not ever. That's just laughable. I'm skeptical about Matt Ryan too until he brings it in the clutch.
If you want to approach the discussion on who you would take to QB your team right now. Roethlisberger would be further down my list in that regard.
Romo gets a bad rap on "clutch" when his decision making (ie TDs vs INTs) are far better than Big Ben.
Show me, without subjective words like 'clutch', what shows that Ben is better than Romo, Rivers, or Ryan.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 13, 2013 1:54pm
Ben: 2 ringsjmog;1535066 wrote:"Clutch" is subjective, look strictly at performance and stats and Romo, River, and Ryan are better than Roethlisberger over their whole careers.
Romo gets a bad rap on "clutch" when his decision making (ie TDs vs INTs) are far better than Big Ben.
Show me, without subjective words like 'clutch', what shows that Ben is better than Romo, Rivers, or Ryan.
Rivers: 0 rings
Ryan: 0 rings
/Skyhook'd
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 13, 2013 1:56pm
Kind of like Ben has this whole season? Or back in 2006 when he had more INTs than TDs? Or how about thet 40 sacks per season he takes for not being able to make a decision? Romo only takes about 25 sacks per season.Automatik;1535064 wrote:Stats are great, but unfortunately for your argument they don't tell the whole story.
I've seen Romo and Rivers suck it up way too often when it mattered.
Trust me, only Pittsburgh fans think Ben is really that good.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 13, 2013 1:56pm
If stats are all that matter, then fuck....Case Keenum, best college QB ever, right? Timmy Chang a close 2nd.
Actually Roethlisberger is the only positive I can take from their terrible season. He's fine, but the team overall is very bad....lacking talent, depth, etc.
Let me guess....Dallas fan?
Actually Roethlisberger is the only positive I can take from their terrible season. He's fine, but the team overall is very bad....lacking talent, depth, etc.
Let me guess....Dallas fan?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 13, 2013 2:00pm
Dilfer-1 ringsleeper;1535068 wrote:Ben: 2 rings
Rivers: 0 rings
Ryan: 0 rings
/Skyhook'd
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 13, 2013 4:27pm
Romo not clutch?
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/77534/romo-gets-it-done-late-more-often-than-not
Dont see the rapist anywhere on that list.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/77534/romo-gets-it-done-late-more-often-than-not
Dont see the rapist anywhere on that list.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 13, 2013 9:50pm
Keep being delusional.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 13, 2013 10:00pm
I believe the debate isover current play. Over the past 3 seasons (including this one), Romo has been the better QB. No debate to it.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 13, 2013 10:18pm
Please show me the top 100 all-time playoff wins list as a QB and top 100 winning %.jmog;1535050 wrote:1. Peyton
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. Brady
5. Luck
6. Ryan
7. Rivers
8. Romo
9. Wilson
10. Stafford
Romo gets hated on but please show me a season where Romo had lower than top 10 QB stats.
Stafford's passer rating has been bad most seasons, heck, last year he was below Christian freaking Ponder.
Stafford has a big arm and the best WR in the game, he still makes a lot of bad decisions however.