Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 13, 2013 10:18pm
You'd really hang your hat on Romo's performance last season?Pick6;1535288 wrote:I believe the debate isover current play. Over the past 3 seasons (including this one), Romo has been the better QB. No debate to it.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 13, 2013 10:23pm
How many of those 40 are off immediate blitz sacks and his ridiculous line? Regardless, that has to be the dumbest argument ever. I guarantee you I could play all season at QB and have zero sacks....where would that rank me?jmog;1535070 wrote:Kind of like Ben has this whole season? Or back in 2006 when he had more INTs than TDs? Or how about thet 40 sacks per season he takes for not being able to make a decision? Romo only takes about 25 sacks per season.
Trust me, only Pittsburgh fans think Ben is really that good.
If you have to negate Ben for the extra sacks he compiles, then you have to weigh in the extra plays made because of him making the play instead of throwing it out of bounds.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 7:31am
Nope, I can't stand the cowboys. I just have the ability to be unbiased.Automatik;1535071 wrote:If stats are all that matter, then fuck....Case Keenum, best college QB ever, right? Timmy Chang a close 2nd.
Actually Roethlisberger is the only positive I can take from their terrible season. He's fine, but the team overall is very bad....lacking talent, depth, etc.
Let me guess....Dallas fan?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 7:35am
so taking more sacks than about any qb in the nfl isn't a negative thing for a qb to do? Maybe in Pittsburgh it isn't, but trust me, browns fans were happy when Hoyer was getting rid of the ball where Weeden was taking sacks.Ironman92;1535308 wrote:How many of those 40 are off immediate blitz sacks and his ridiculous line? Regardless, that has to be the dumbest argument ever. I guarantee you I could play all season at QB and have zero sacks....where would that rank me?
If you have to negate Ben for the extra sacks he compiles, then you have to weigh in the extra plays made because of him making the play instead of throwing it out of bounds.
And while pittsburghs line line sucks this year, that was not true the seasons he had 50 or close to 50 sacks.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 7:59am
No bias here.jmog;1535398 wrote:Nope, I can't stand the cowboys. I just have the ability to be unbiased.
So right now, if you had to choose...Romo or Roethlisberger, you'd take Romo? LOL
Did you understand what Ironman was saying about negating the sacks, due to his ability to produce out of broken plays? What about Aaron Rodgers?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 14, 2013 11:51am
Abso-f*cking-lutely.Automatik;1535407 wrote:
So right now, if you had to choose...Romo or Roethlisberger, you'd take Romo? LOL
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 12:16pm
I honestly would not, but agree to disagree. Romo doesn't have "it"
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 14, 2013 12:30pm
Agreed. Romo sucks but right now I'd take him over Big Ben.Automatik;1535521 wrote:I honestly would not, but agree to disagree. Romo doesn't have "it"
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 1:27pm
Romo has more 4th Q comebacks than Ben, throws less INTs, throws more TDs, has a better QB rating, completes a higher %, and I could keep going.Automatik;1535407 wrote:No bias here.
So right now, if you had to choose...Romo or Roethlisberger, you'd take Romo? LOL
Did you understand what Ironman was saying about negating the sacks, due to his ability to produce out of broken plays? What about Aaron Rodgers?
Romo gets under a microscope by the media because of being in Dallas and more games being on national TV.
Please, tell me concretely why Ben is better than Romo, without subjective terms. Give me something absolute and measurable.
And really, your argument is Ben has "it" and Romo doesn't?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 14, 2013 1:28pm
Yeah I mean I would prefer to have neither, but would unequivocally want Romo on the Browns right now over Ben.Automatik;1535521 wrote:I honestly would not, but agree to disagree. Romo doesn't have "it"
You want to talk about Ben's escapability? Romo is regarded as the best, or among the best, QB in the league when things break down, with Rodgers up there too. You want stats? Romo's are better.
The only thing Ben has over Romo is 2 team awards (Super Bowl rings).
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 14, 2013 1:31pm
Id easily take romo over the rapist. Just a fat slob that had his defense and running game carry him.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 1:31pm
Did you miss the link I posted previously? Romo is a regular season stat monster and I give no fucks about that. His HUGE mistakes with the ball in his hands and game on the line stick out. When/if he can ever shake that reputation I'll be the first to give him props, but right now, he's a choke artist.jmog;1535553 wrote:Romo has more 4th Q comebacks than Ben, throws less INTs, throws more TDs, has a better QB rating, completes a higher %, and I could keep going.
Romo gets under a microscope by the media because of being in Dallas and more games being on national TV.
Please, tell me concretely why Ben is better than Romo, without subjective terms. Give me something absolute and measurable.
And really, your argument is Ben has "it" and Romo doesn't?
That was the case during the first SB run, not the other two, and you know it.like_that;1535555 wrote: that had his defense and running game carry him.
It's apparent everyone is set in their thoughts on this topic anyway. I don't even know why it's still being discussed.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 1:37pm
Did you miss the link that showed Romo is tied for the league lead in 4th Q and OT game winning drives? Big Ben is no where on that list.Automatik;1535556 wrote:Did you miss the link I posted previously? Romo is a regular season stat monster and I give no fucks about that. His HUGE mistakes with the ball in his hands and game on the line stick out. When/if he can ever shake that reputation I'll be the first to give him props, but right now, he's a choke artist.
That was the case during the first SB run, not the other two, and you know it.
So even your own reason for taking Ben over Romo is only based on biased media opinion and not fact. AKA bullshit.
If I had to guess you are a Steelers fan? Because in my experience only Steeler fans truly think Big Ben is good.
Don't get me wrong, Ben is better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999. But he is NOT top 10 and is NOT better than Romo/Ryan/Rivers.
He is definitely top 15, but not top tier like Steeler fans seem to believe.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 1:43pm
And only Dallas fans continue to blow Romo and excuse him for his fuckups. See how that works? I don't buy into media bullshit, I watch games and see for myself.
My link had career game winning drives and 4th qtr comebacks. Take a peek.
Yeah...only Pittsburgh fans think Roethlisberger is "good". This discussion has gone full retard.
My link had career game winning drives and 4th qtr comebacks. Take a peek.
Yeah...only Pittsburgh fans think Roethlisberger is "good". This discussion has gone full retard.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 1:50pm
I'm not a Dallas fan, for the 2nd time.Automatik;1535567 wrote:And only Dallas fans continue to blow Romo and excuse him for his fuckups. See how that works? I don't buy into media bullshit, I watch games and see for myself.
My link had career game winning drives and 4th qtr comebacks. Take a peek.
Yeah...only Pittsburgh fans think Roethlisberger is "good". This discussion has gone full retard.
I also don't think Romo is great, just better than Roethlisberger.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Nov 14, 2013 1:52pm
Lot longer than that, bro.jmog;1535563 wrote:Ben is better than any QB the Browns have had since 1999.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 1:57pm
Even if you include their whole careers, Ben has averaged 3 per season (30 in 10 years), Romo has averaged 2.5 per season (20 in 8 years). Not a huge difference, and like someone said above, look over the last 3 or 4 years and the numbers are not even close.Automatik;1535280 wrote:Keep being delusional.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm
In the last 3 seasons, Ben has 5, Romo has 10.
The question is who is better right now, which is what we've all been talking about, not who was better 6-7 years ago.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 1:57pm
Nah, Kosar was better than Ben.Heretic;1535576 wrote:Lot longer than that, bro.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 2:02pm
Right now, Megatron is the best WR in the game.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 14, 2013 2:06pm
Dude...take off the Orange & Brown goggles. Roethlisberger isn't that great but Cleveland fans hold Bernie on a pedestal. He was a pretty average QB. Sipe was better than Bernie, imo. Pittsburgh might have won two SB's in spite of Roethlisberger but at least he took them there.jmog;1535583 wrote:Nah, Kosar was better than Ben.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 2:11pm
I don't know how anyone can say they won those in spite of Roethlisberger....blows my mind. I'll give you the first one...regarding the actual SB game, but the 2nd? Selective memory I guess?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 14, 2013 2:29pm
21 of 30 for 256 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT vs Cards....pretty pedestrian. Stats against Seattle were much worse and the stats, in the loss against Green Bay, 2 TD's, 2 INT's, including a pick 6, weren't much better. The only thing he could hang his hat on in that Cards game was the game winning drive...that was pretty much it.Automatik;1535591 wrote:I don't know how anyone can say they won those in spite of Roethlisberger....blows my mind. I'll give you the first one...regarding the actual SB game, but the 2nd? Selective memory I guess?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 14, 2013 2:35pm
Played pretty well in both playoff runs leading up to the title, especially the first one. No one gave them a chance against Indy and he lit up the Broncos in their house.
Yeah, he only can hang his hat on the GAME WINNING DRIVE of the Super Bowl.
Yeah, he only can hang his hat on the GAME WINNING DRIVE of the Super Bowl.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 2:37pm
You can't directly compare stats from the 80s to today with the new 'easier' passing rules.BR1986FB;1535588 wrote:Dude...take off the Orange & Brown goggles. Roethlisberger isn't that great but Cleveland fans hold Bernie on a pedestal. He was a pretty average QB. Sipe was better than Bernie, imo. Pittsburgh might have won two SB's in spite of Roethlisberger but at least he took them there.
However, compare Kosar to a hall of famer from his time in Elway.
Kosar
Completion-59.3
TD/INT-1.43
QB Rating-81.8
Elway
Completion-56.9
TD/INT-1.33
QB Rating-79.9
Marino
Completion-59.4
TD/INT-1.67
QB Rating-86.4
I would say (obviously) Marino was the best of the 3, but Kosar statistically was better than Elway.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Nov 14, 2013 2:37pm
Using your own logic, only Cleveland fans think Kosar was really that good.jmog;1535583 wrote:Nah, Kosar was better than Ben.