RedRider1;1434183 wrote:If levy doesn't pass & as a result, athletic pay-to-play fees go up, that could prevent a kid from playing a sport, or cause them to look to neighboring districts where the fees aren't as high.

That's a valid reason, no?

I've heard of schools around here that its several hundred dollars per sport, per kid with no cap based on # of sports or # of kids. Imagine you have 3 kids & all play 2 or 3 sports. That's gets expensive real quick.

Well, if you've heard of that about "schools around here", doesn't that indicate that Orrville is not alone in that predicament and that you may have to pay more regardless of where you transfer to if you transfer. And yes, it does get expensive real quick, so too does increased property taxes.

Old Rider;1434200 wrote:So if McKinley finds a spot on the field for Bryce, will that be an example of playing favoritism? Dad will be in their system now...has to be favoritism?? Right??

If he's continually on the field offense/defense and non-productive, you may very well be correct, however, we'll have to wait and see now won't we. By that comment however, you'v obviously noticed the favoritism and bias here in Orrville. LOL!

Series62;1434666 wrote:If he's continually on the field offense/defense and non-productive, you may very well be correct, however, we'll have to wait and see now won't we. By that comment however, you'v obviously noticed the favoritism and bias here in Orrville. LOL!

There is always criticism on a coach about who is playing and who isnt. I have often times questioned why a certain kid is playing over another. But thats why I am on this thread and not a coach. I will let the guys willing to put in all those hours coaching decide who is playing.

Sounds like we might have some openings...anyone interested should get in touch with the coach.

I'm not sure if the Assistant Armchair Coach position is open though.

RedRider1;1434789 wrote:Sounds like we might have some openings...anyone interested should get in touch with the coach.

I'm not sure if the Assistant Armchair Coach position is open though.

If there are openings on that staff that is the first step in rebuilding what once was a feared program!

Yes...replacing volunteer coaches with new volunteer coaches. Why didn't we think of that sooner?

RedRider1;1435148 wrote:Yes...replacing volunteer coaches with new volunteer coaches. Why didn't we think of that sooner?

Ya because some of these guys have no business on that field or in the box!

RedRider1;1435148 wrote:Yes...replacing volunteer coaches with new volunteer coaches. Why didn't we think of that

They can volunteer for something else-some of them have no business here and I am sure even you could figure that out

RedRider1;1435148 wrote:Yes...replacing volunteer coaches with new volunteer coaches. Why didn't we think of that sooner?

Careful using the word volunteer-if that were the case anyone who wanted to "volunteer" their time could be on the staff-you and I both know some of these guys shouldn't be there period! Volunteers are those that spend time with kids for classroom parties and PTA meetings and what not-Football is football and at least 4 or 5 of these guys should volunteer their time elsewhere-I won't name names unless of course you want me to

ya'll won't win the title

Red Rider Nation;1435347 wrote:Careful using the word volunteer-if that were the case anyone who wanted to "volunteer" their time could be on the staff-you and I both know some of these guys shouldn't be there period! Volunteers are those that spend time with kids for classroom parties and PTA meetings and what not-Football is football and at least 4 or 5 of these guys should volunteer their time elsewhere-I won't name names unless of course you want me to

Volunteer is someone who commits their time without pay...not all positions on the staff are paid..and even less if levies continue to fail.

Lets not try to lessen their contribution by comparing them to classroom mothers who bring cupcakes.

Don't mean to talk basketball on a football thread, but what a cool thing that the school decided to honor Smitty by naming the floor of the new gym after him.

Great honor for a great coach.

Going to seven divisions and the enrollment figures were released today. Will we be DV?

Coach D took some boys down to the Ashland Spring game last friday, boy they have a nice football facility, lots of OCC kids playing and at least two from WCL., Kind of left you wanting more football.

Flash;1436014 wrote:Going to seven divisions and the enrollment figures were released today. Will we be DV?

I've thought ever since the OHSAA announced they were going to 7 divisions, that we'd drop to D-5. I checked the numbers today, and I think we're a LOCK to drop to D-5 based off of projections of where the top 10% of schools (D-1) will fall.

Our enrollment is 207, about the same as schools like Waynedale (205), Chippewa (203) and Northwestern (208).

So anyone saying we're somehow out of our league by talking about joining the WCAL....the stats show otherwise...at least on the enrollment side.

If the WCAL added Orrville & Triway, you could have a big school division (Triway, Orrville, Northwestern, Waynedale & Chippewa) and a small school division (Norwayne, Rittman, Dalton, Hillsdale & Smithville) and be pretty competitive. Each school would play the 4 others in their conference every year and have 3 crossover games that would rotate.

While we're on the topic...here's the new enrollment numbers of the 8 OCC schools:
Senior - 475
Wooster - 465
Ashland - 439
Madison - 384
WH - 356
Lex - 326
Clear Fork - 270
Orrville - 207

Smallest school in the OCC...and it's not even close. I'm all for competing...but this puts our kids at a serious disadvantage...when there are 2 boys at Ashland for every 1 at Orrville, that's naturally going to lend itself to an on-the-field advantage most of the time.

Since we are comparing numbers...

Northwestern....208
Waynedale.......205
Chippewa.........203
Norwayne.........182
Smithville.........171
Hillsdale...........150
Dalton............141
Rittman..........138

Certainly could make a case for adding Orrville(207) and Triway(250) to the WCAL just based on those numbers.

Very interesting stats. Didn't Clear Fork and us used to be about the same size? West Holmes is getting up there, big time!

According to the other thread by leopard nation we would be solidly in V, but after looking at the teams it doesn't seem any easier. This placement could be changed if they do decide to do the multiplier system that is being proposed.

It's not any easier..we're not dropping because of size, it's because the state is adding a 7th division.

Still will probably share a region with Chagrin Falls & Mooney. We have to do better than 1-9 to even begin to worry about those teams.

And yes, comp. balance proposal, if it passes, will alter these figures.

Way too much up in the air...but I don't think it changes up from being D-5.

RedRider1;1436379 wrote:
Smallest school in the OCC...and it's not even close. I'm all for competing...but this puts our kids at a serious disadvantage...when there are 2 boys at Ashland for every 1 at Orrville, that's naturally going to lend itself to an on-the-field advantage most of the time.

The disparity from top to bottom is ridiculous.

Sad day yesterday in Orrville. The community that used to support our kids, teachers, and sports are now on the other side. Things are going to get much worse now with cuts, pay to play going way up, 30-40 kids in a class. Way to go those that did not vote for the levy your property value just went down. So technichally you will loose money anyway. This is not the Orrville cummunity I used to know.

I don't have a dog in the fight but I was disappointed when I saw that your levy failed. It's always sad when a community does not support the next generation. I know people will point to the new school and the turf as reason they think money is wasted but the truth is that they don't take the time to educate themselves on school finance and the current environment with state cuts. The governor can boast that he did not raise taxes and now has a surplus at the state level but we see what affect that has on the next generation.

rrfan;1439985 wrote:Sad day yesterday in Orrville. The community that used to support our kids, teachers, and sports are now on the other side. Things are going to get much worse now with cuts, pay to play going way up, 30-40 kids in a class. Way to go those that did not vote for the levy your property value just went down. So technichally you will loose money anyway. This is not the Orrville cummunity I used to know.

The levy not passing does not mean people aren't supporting any of the above. Perhaps it means people cannot afford additional tax increases. How does that negatively effect property value? Property value is based on the fair market value of your real estate. If increased taxes is such a strong influence over property values, why aren't most people, including the wealthy trying to get their taxes increased, why are so many businesses trying to get a tax abatement to either stay, or move into a community? Why do communities offer a tax abatement to help draw a business to the community?

Series62;1441138 wrote:Question...the levy not passing does not mean people aren't supporting any of the above. Perhaps it means people cannot afford additional tax increases. How does that negatively effect property value? Property value is based on the fair market value of your real estate. If increased taxes is such a strong influence over property values, why aren't most people, including the wealthy trying to get their taxes increased, why are so many businesses trying to get a tax abatement to either stay, or move into a community? Why do communities offer a tax abatement to help draw a business to the community?

You really can't figure that out? If you really don't know the answers to your questions you live in a sheltered world. Real Estate prices go up in areas that have Strong School Systems (it increases the fair market value). Communities offer tax abatement to help draw a business to the community because they have to. Until that loop hole is shut down for all then all have to play in that world. If you were a business owner and Wooster offered the abatement and Orrville did not where would you go?

Series- I am sure you were one of the uninformed voters that did not understand funds of schools and how they work. Maybe you should go and talk to Richie and he can explain it to you. Orrville City Schools have done a great job of controlling costs. However, if the state keeps cutting the money then the money has to come from somewhere. I don't want to pay more taxes either, lord knows I pay plenty...but I am smart enough to know it is what the community needed to do to keep our schools strong. I hate to see teachers let go after many many years of service. Apparently you don't care about that. It really does not suprise me about you. I am sure you would have been for the levy if your kid was still in school or would have been complaining about pay to play. Congratulation, you got a lot of people fired and hurt our schools, kids, sports, property value and much more.

rrfan;1441174 wrote:You really can't figure that out? If you really don't know the answers to your questions you live in a sheltered world. Real Estate prices go up in areas that have Strong School Systems (it increases the fair market value). Communities offer tax abatement to help draw a business to the community because they have to. Until that loop hole is shut down for all then all have to play in that world. If you were a business owner and Wooster offered the abatement and Orrville did not where would you go?

Series- I am sure you were one of the uninformed voters that did not understand funds of schools and how they work. Maybe you should go and talk to Richie and he can explain it to you. Orrville City Schools have done a great job of controlling costs. However, if the state keeps cutting the money then the money has to come from somewhere. I don't want to pay more taxes either, lord knows I pay plenty...but I am smart enough to know it is what the community needed to do to keep our schools strong. I hate to see teachers let go after many many years of service. Apparently you don't care about that. It really does not suprise me about you. I am sure you would have been for the levy if your kid was still in school or would have been complaining about pay to play. Congratulation, you got a lot of people fired and hurt our schools, kids, sports, property value and much more.

The strength of the school system isn't going to weaken because costs have to be cut if management is doing their job. The schools/teachers aren't the only people that have to or have had to experience cut-backs. Unfortunately, it's the world that we all have to "play" in!

You have no idea what I care about...whether I voted yes or no, taxes have been paid to that go to support the schools. I hate to see quality people being let go because funding is low also, I've been in that position before myself, whether a teacher or not. If my children were in school now and I couldn't afford to pay for them to play multiple sports, they wouldn't play, multiple sports.

I grew up in a city and schools that were poorly funded and poorly equipped by the school board because we were black! My parents goal was to see that my siblings and I were educated, so our focus was to learn by reading and studying...on our own if we had to. That was and is the same goal I had for my children. They do not play sports for a living and we didn't need sports or the coaches to teach them how to be strong men of character!

Passage of the levy or not, the school is receiving funds, if some that have taught for many, many years have to retire or be cut, that is not the fault of those who voted no. Nor have they hurt the "schools, kids, sports, property value" or the "much more" you suggest. It means that those that remain will have to work harder, assume more responsibility with increased work loads like so many have already had to do when their places of employment cut back. And those that have lost their jobs...like so many before, prepare your resumes...the search is on!

Trust in God, all is not lost and the school will go on!