Went to watch Norwayne/Rittman last night, very impressed with #24 for Norwayne. Looks like a real nice player, smooth with the ball and a nice shot. Norwayne might be better than I thought, with a few more games under their belt. Will see, long road ahead.

no name;1352183 wrote:Went to watch Norwayne/Rittman last night, very impressed with #24 for Norwayne. Looks like a real nice player, smooth with the ball and a nice shot. Norwayne might be better than I thought, with a few more games under their belt. Will see, long road ahead.

Ty Stoudmire (Jr). He has been big in every game. Norwayne is not quite as big and strong as last year, but they are still pretty fast and have more kids who can handle and shoot. Jordan Straub also had a good night shooting. Kaleb Harris still has an ugly contraption on his right arm/shoulder.

Big weekend for Dalton that will help give us a better early picture of the wcl. The bulldogs get smithville and norwayne on fri/sat. Good to see Ryder emerging as a deep threat and clay bowe waking up a little.

I think Dalton actually plays Chippewa and Norwayne this weekend. They host Smithville next weekend. With all of the parity seen so far in the WCAL, it's hard to imagine Dalton losing the league crown if they sweep these three games. I don't think there is any doubt that they will encounter some stiff challenges on the road. It is not very likely that they go undefeated in league play, but winning these next three games will give them a multiple game lead on the rest of the field. That will be hard for anyone else to overcome. I attended the Dalton vs Willoughby Cornerstone Christian game on Saturday. Dalton played extremely well against a very good opponent to get that win. Those kinds of games will have them better prepared for their sectional/district tournament in Garfield Heights. The WCAL is almost the exact opposite of what they will see up there. Dalton's trip to Cleveland St Joe in a couple of weeks will be another good barometer of where they are at. They don't have a very good chance of beating VASJ, but it will be interesting to see if they can compete.

And yes.......Ryder looks to be Dalton's second best offensive player. He can create his own shot and is more athletic than the other Dalton players.

You are right on the schedule. Cornerstone was a very solid team, as they were last year in the tourney. Ryder also has good quickness and helps mix things up.

tough road this and next weekend!!

I've seen a few Norwayne games this year and I dont think they are quite there yet. Stoudmires offseason AAU action is definitely paying off. He has done very well for the Cats so far this year. Straub is starting to find his stroke at the 3 point line but this is expected. I dont think he plays any sport but basketball. The football players are lagging a little behind however. Berger is starting to come on even though they appear to be playing him at just about every position on the court. He has been off and on so far this season. Dreher, making the step up to varsity this year, still does not look real comfortable. If he comes along and they can get Prentiss healthy they may be a contender. They also need to get the Davis kid to play in the paint. He steps outside too much.

Big weekend in the WCAL. Go Dogs!

Spot on Bobcat. I think they will be at their best towards the end of the season. They have a lot of kids adjusting to the varsity level, but they do have some scoring and shooting ability that was lacking at times last year.

dalton over chippewa 69-45. breitenstine is tough, but zone defense slowed him down. Daltons big men played outstanding. Great work by the guards, huth and ryder as masters got some cheapies early on and hardly played with foul trouble. Chipps are a solid team but lack depth.

don't forget moyer was out for a long time also with some cheapies also ! i think our bench players played very well,and has the last 3 gms. i think we found our outside shooter with zac !:thumbup:

Yes, Moyer had four fouls as well. One official made nearly every call all game long. Also great to see the big guys stepping up and playing well the last few games. Another tough one tonight.

Another big win for the dawgs over a very solid norwayne team. Cats play very good d, and have good athleticism but lack a true pg and are not real deep. Bulldogs settling in nicely

1486wd;1358255 wrote:Yes, Moyer had four fouls as well. One official made nearly every call all game long. Also great to see the big guys stepping up and playing well the last few games. Another tough one tonight.

yes their was 11 fouls called in the 1st period he had called 11 ,and the one ref called a travel . i know he didn't like me any at all:rolleyes: last night gm was a good one ! very tight to the 4th period , and very nice called gm by the ref !

I've been able to catch some of the freshman games in the WCAL. Without listing which school I wanted to ask if this is common practice... I'm a avid sports fan and in my old age I see things differently than when I was younger, but couldn't help but notice at this school they only play a few. They have about 15 kids on this team and it seems that only 8 play. The rest either don't get in or just a minute or two. Instead of cutting them is it the plan for them to discourage these guys so they just quit or don't come back and is this common practice. Thing I found sad is I've seen their second string play and not only do they have some size but are pretty good. Looked like they were getting it done, but couldn't help but notice them being pulled out before they even got warmed up. I've seen some of the freshman starters playing JV so they are getting to see JV time and most of the freshman games. I know one of the parents and asked they wouldn't say much probably cuz their kid plays, but said you aren't to talk to coach about playing time they won't talk to you. WHAT? Parent said sometimes those ones don't get in..

Unbelievable. Anyone care to share how their programs work. Is this how all schools handle their freshman????

JJ35;1363621 wrote:I've been able to catch some of the freshman games in the WCAL. Without listing which school I wanted to ask if this is common practice... I'm a avid sports fan and in my old age I see things differently than when I was younger, but couldn't help but notice at this school they only play a few. They have about 15 kids on this team and it seems that only 8 play. The rest either don't get in or just a minute or two. Instead of cutting them is it the plan for them to discourage these guys so they just quit or don't come back and is this common practice. Thing I found sad is I've seen their second string play and not only do they have some size but are pretty good. Looked like they were getting it done, but couldn't help but notice them being pulled out before they even got warmed up. I've seen some of the freshman starters playing JV so they are getting to see JV time and most of the freshman games. I know one of the parents and asked they wouldn't say much probably cuz their kid plays, but said you aren't to talk to coach about playing time they won't talk to you. WHAT? Parent said sometimes those ones don't get in..

Unbelievable. Anyone care to share how their programs work. Is this how all schools handle their freshman????

Well I am going to take a wild guess here (wink,wink) and assume you are talking about the Golden Bears. If it isn’t the football program that people are complaining about, it’s now time for the basketball program. A basketball program that is having success at EVERY level at the high school. I believe that each group (9,JV,Var) have each won 6-7 or more games so far.

First of all, again this is HIGH SCHOOL…not little league or middle school where everyone gets to play and we give out trophies to each kid (win or lose) and there are snacks afterwards, and we have “B” teams, etc., etc., etc………

I have been to a few of their freshman games but not all. And when I say a “few” I mean 3 games. When you said a few, you meant 8…..right? In my book, a few is 3….anyways, I have done my “research” and here is what I found out. They have played 9 games so far and in 5-6 of those games, the starters played only 2 quarters in those games. Therefore, the other 10 kids were getting PLENTY of playing time and in particular the “2[SUP]nd[/SUP] string”. IN FACT, one game ALL OF THE KIDS ON THE TEAM SCORED. That’s pretty impressive.


It just so happens that I was at last nights game, as I assume you were since you are posting early this morning. The “2[SUP]nd[/SUP] group” was getting PLENTY of playing time, however, they let a 20+ point lead get to less than 10 in the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] quarter….correct? In that case, it is time to make some subs. Again, this is not little league…they are playing to win at the high school level whether people want to admit that or not. Otherwise, forums like these wouldn’t be very popular or even in existence. If you are going to tell me it's not about winning and losing, please jump over on the Waynedale Football thread!!!


It is common practice at EVERY school that playing time is NOT NEGOTIABLE. However, the root of this problem, APPEARS TO BE (have to be careful on here) the parents. If you are believing a parent that says their son won’t play if they question playing time…that is not true at all. Do you really believe that the coaching staff at Waynedale would hold that against a kid or as you stated..."those ones don't get in"? It should be the responsibility of the player to ask the coach what he/she can do to better themselves and get more playing time. Is that asking for too much? That’s what we do in the real world, right? If we are not happy with things at work, we ask our boss what we can do to improve the situation.


The realty of this situation is this…If you are not in the top 8-10 of a rotation at ANY level in basketball, then you may want to try something else. How can a coach honestly play more than that and make everyone (player, PARENT, family, friends, etc.) happy? Plus, if they cut these kids as freshmen then you would be on here complaining that they didn't give them a fair chance.

Maybe I am way out of line here but I would assume it is like this at most other schools.

HOLY MOLY.... Is this guy for real? I make some observations and I'm not only a PARENT but he knows what school I'm talking about because of the hour of day I was on and heck he's got a tracker on me and knows where I was at last night. Anyone else have some constructive feeback on their (none bears please cuz I ve been given that already) program. Im guessing this guy has some problems over there with "HIS" team. Don't really care about the bears and their problems. Im not going to read through all your issues on the football thread but You should spend some time dealing with your problems over there.
Anywho I know we can talk basketball without getting into a screaming match.

JJ35;1363937 wrote:HOLY MOLY.... Is this guy for real? I make some observations and I'm not only a PARENT but he knows what school I'm talking about because of the hour of day I was on and heck he's got a tracker on me and knows where I was at last night. Anyone else have some constructive feeback on their (none bears please cuz I ve been given that already) program. Im guessing this guy has some problems over there with "HIS" team. Don't really care about the bears and their problems. Im not going to read through all your issues on the football thread but You should spend some time dealing with your problems over there.
Anywho I know we can talk basketball without getting into a screaming match.

Screaming match? What are you talking about? It is quite obvious what your intent was with your post. You were criticizing the coaching staff and it was aimed at Waynedale. You plainly said that their intent is to discourage kids and make them quit. ARE YOU FOR REAL? You know I have you figured out and that upsets you. Can you refute anything that I said in my post? Just be honest with everyone and admit you are talking about the Golden Bears 9th grade team.

Let me ask you this...do you think that parents should be able to talk to the coach about playing time? If so, why? Why does the parent need to be in that conversation?

Believe me, I am anxious to hear what others on here answer your question.

I just love it when a rookie gets on here and thinks that they have all the answers.

JJ35;1363937 wrote:HOLY MOLY.... Is this guy for real? I make some observations and I'm not only a PARENT but he knows what school I'm talking about because of the hour of day I was on and heck he's got a tracker on me and knows where I was at last night. Anyone else have some constructive feeback on their (none bears please cuz I ve been given that already) program. Im guessing this guy has some problems over there with "HIS" team. Don't really care about the bears and their problems. Im not going to read through all your issues on the football thread but You should spend some time dealing with your problems over there.
Anywho I know we can talk basketball without getting into a screaming match.

Screaming match? What are you talking about? It is quite obvious what your intent was with your post. You were criticizing the coaching staff and it was aimed at Waynedale. You plainly said that their intent is to discourage kids and make them quit. ARE YOU FOR REAL? You know I have you figured out and that upsets you. Can you refute anything that I said in my post?

Let me ask you this...do you think that parents should be able to talk to the coach about playing time? If so, why? Why does the parent need to be in that conversation?

Believe me, I am anxious to hear how others on here answer your question.

I just love it when a rookie gets on here and thinks that they have all the answers. By the way, I never once said or thought you were a parent. Now I have you paranoid and I love it. See you at the game Saturday morning....

JJ35;1363621 wrote:I've been able to catch some of the freshman games in the WCAL. Without listing which school I wanted to ask if this is common practice... I'm a avid sports fan and in my old age I see things differently than when I was younger, but couldn't help but notice at this school they only play a few. They have about 15 kids on this team and it seems that only 8 play. The rest either don't get in or just a minute or two. Instead of cutting them is it the plan for them to discourage these guys so they just quit or don't come back and is this common practice. Thing I found sad is I've seen their second string play and not only do they have some size but are pretty good. Looked like they were getting it done, but couldn't help but notice them being pulled out before they even got warmed up. I've seen some of the freshman starters playing JV so they are getting to see JV time and most of the freshman games. I know one of the parents and asked they wouldn't say much probably cuz their kid plays, but said you aren't to talk to coach about playing time they won't talk to you. WHAT? Parent said sometimes those ones don't get in..

Unbelievable. Anyone care to share how their programs work. Is this how all schools handle their freshman????

Kind of funny, I assumed that you were talking about Waynedale as well...

wcalfan is correct in that most schools don't go more than 8 or 9 deep unless a situation warrants it. In doing this, substitution patterns get thrown off kilter and players are not able to maintain consistency of play. I also agree that this is high school sports now. Not everyone is going to get equal playing time or any playing at all. All kids are different. They have different ability levels, different sports IQ levels, different physical abilities, etc. To divvy up playing time evenly and assume that every kid could handle it at this level is naive. Back when I was in school, if I didn't like that playing time that I was receiving, I stayed after practice and took extra shots or went to the park to work on my game.

The fact of the matter is this: high school sports are played to win. No one wants to go out and lose. Everyone wants to go out and perform and maximum potential and walk away knowing that they played to the best of their ability. Regardless of a player's role, we as parents and adults need to stop stepping in and handling their issues. These student-athletes need to learn how to handle these types of situations properly, because that will be expected of them when they enter the real world. By coddling our kids, we are doing them a disservice by stunting their growth as human beings.

And my last point: Michael Jordan was cut TWICE by the varsity basketball team. Do you think his parents went to the coach and asked about playing time? They didn't. In fact, the told him to WORK HARDER. This is my suggestion, if you have a child (grandchild, friend, etc.) that is unhappy about playing time, encourage them to step up their efforts. Nothing worthwhile ever comes easy, and it is so much more satisfying when a goal is accomplished when you know you've paid the price in blood, sweat, and tears.

Dalton playing really well right now, passing well, fundamentally sound. (tonight may be a little different vs Vasj). Just think of it as a learning experience, haha. Smithie guards are not real comfortable under pressure and they don't have depth but bates has alwAys been solid and callendar is decent. Bowe and metzger tore them up inside.

sorry guy, the fan and I do not always see things in the same light. but here he is dead on. This is not t ball anymore. get better or go out for volleyball.

JJ35;1363937 wrote:HOLY MOLY.... Is this guy for real? I make some observations and I'm not only a PARENT but he knows what school I'm talking about because of the hour of day I was on and heck he's got a tracker on me and knows where I was at last night. Anyone else have some constructive feeback on their (none bears please cuz I ve been given that already) program. Im guessing this guy has some problems over there with "HIS" team. Don't really care about the bears and their problems. Im not going to read through all your issues on the football thread but You should spend some time dealing with your problems over there.
Anywho I know we can talk basketball without getting into a screaming match.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1364219 wrote:Kind of funny, I assumed that you were talking about Waynedale as well...

wcalfan is correct in that most schools don't go more than 8 or 9 deep unless a situation warrants it. In doing this, substitution patterns get thrown off kilter and players are not able to maintain consistency of play. I also agree that this is high school sports now. Not everyone is going to get equal playing time or any playing at all. All kids are different. They have different ability levels, different sports IQ levels, different physical abilities, etc. To divvy up playing time evenly and assume that every kid could handle it at this level is naive. Back when I was in school, if I didn't like that playing time that I was receiving, I stayed after practice and took extra shots or went to the park to work on my game.

The fact of the matter is this: high school sports are played to win. No one wants to go out and lose. Everyone wants to go out and perform and maximum potential and walk away knowing that they played to the best of their ability. Regardless of a player's role, we as parents and adults need to stop stepping in and handling their issues. These student-athletes need to learn how to handle these types of situations properly, because that will be expected of them when they enter the real world. By coddling our kids, we are doing them a disservice by stunting their growth as human beings.

And my last point: Michael Jordan was cut TWICE by the varsity basketball team. Do you think his parents went to the coach and asked about playing time? They didn't. In fact, the told him to WORK HARDER. This is my suggestion, if you have a child (grandchild, friend, etc.) that is unhappy about playing time, encourage them to step up their efforts. Nothing worthwhile ever comes easy, and it is so much more satisfying when a goal is accomplished when you know you've paid the price in blood, sweat, and tears.

Hmmmmmmm.......

MOUNTAINBEAR;1364359 wrote:sorry guy, the fan and I do not always see things in the same light. but here he is dead on. This is not t ball anymore. get better or go out for volleyball.

Hmmmmmm.........