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Apr 15, 2012 10:27 PM
Footwedge;1144882 wrote:**** your article. What sample size did they use?
Uhm all of the pitchers in Baseball America's top 50 from 1999-2008. 200 pitchers.

Like I said, you're a moronic douche and you're completely wrong.
Apr 15, 2012 10:27pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:08 PM
lhslep134;1144894 wrote:Uhm all of the pitchers in Baseball America's top 50 from 1999-2008. 200 pitchers.

Like I said, you're a moronic douche and you're completely wrong.
Typical lawyer wannabe. Did you read your own article? Seriously. Did you read it? The author placed pitchers into good, average and bad. What was the percentage of pitchers that made an impact that were in the top 10 percentile?...As in White and Pomeranz? Well gee, the know it all didn't talk about those now did he? And then the author clamors about Ubaldo being a "proven ace". What a joke he is.

The artical is pure bullshit...to the nth degree. For you to site it as anything else is a pathetic reflection on your ability to separate facts from statistics. Typical lawyer crap...


When the trade was made, far more "gurus" laid claim that the tribe got ramrodded....and that is a fact.
Apr 15, 2012 11:08pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:18 PM
Footwedge;1144925 wrote: What was the percentage of pitchers that made an impact that were in the top 10 percentile?...As in White and Pomeranz?
How stupid are you? Do you realize that top 10 percentile in a 50 person list is top 5? Neither White nor Pomeranz were ranked in the top 5. In fact, in Baseball America's top 100 this year, Pomeranz is #30 and White is nowhere to be found. http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html

WTF are you talking about? You keep spewing more gibberish to attempt to hide the fact that your argument is statistically wrong. I don't know what more you want, and being a law student has nothing to do with you being unable to analyze statistics.
Apr 15, 2012 11:18pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:18 PM
Here ya go your honor...

From your author "of proof"

"They gave up six full seasons of club control on four players – that’s 24 potential seasons – for two years, two months of Jimenez. Which Jimenez they’re getting is what ultimately will determine the deal as much as Pomeranz and White. If it’s the 2010 version, the Indians now can stack Jimenez alongside Justin Masterson(notes) as a potent 1-2"


Yeah...that Ubaldo...a proven 1-2 punch. Apparently the author forgot to mention Ubaldo's 5.55 ERA over the past 12 months.
Apr 15, 2012 11:18pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:25 PM
This isn't about Ubaldo, this is about giving up prospects. Now you're changing the argument, another useful tactic when you're wrong.

Keep trying, keep failing, the ole failhook/failwedge way. Seriously though, keep trying to argue, because you're providing some solid sunday night entertainment.
Apr 15, 2012 11:25pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:26 PM
lhslep134;1144930 wrote:How stupid are you? Do you realize that top 10 percentile in a 50 person list is top 5? Neither White nor Pomeranz were ranked in the top 5. In fact, in Baseball America's top 100 this year, Pomeranz is #30 and White is nowhere to be found. http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html

WTF are you talking about? You keep spewing more gibberish to attempt to hide the fact that your argument is statistically wrong. I don't know what more you want, and being a law student has nothing to do with you being unable to analyze statistics.
No, it does reflect that you are a law student...sadly so. We're not talking top 100 prospects here clown. We are talking about pitchers. Typical deflection from you.

Now...you want me to post all those baseball"gurus" that puts your auther to shame?

BTW...you started this shit.....you should learn when to quit.
Apr 15, 2012 11:26pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:31 PM
lhslep134;1144935 wrote:This isn't about Ubaldo, this is about giving up prospects. Now you're changing the argument, another useful tactic when you're wrong.

Keep trying, keep failing, the ole failhook/failwedge way. Seriously though, keep trying to argue, because you're providing some solid sunday night entertainment.
No...you're argument as stated by the author cited lays claim that Ubaldo as the second coming of Whitey Ford. Well guess what Slick, he isn't...as cited by Gammons, Ford, Kirkjian and countless others.

If Pomeranz, White or Gardner become even a 4th starter, the Indians lose.

Like I told Hoops.....the percentage play...by far...was not to trade their top prospects.

Tee it back up there LSP...I'll give you a mulligan.
Keep diggin.....
Apr 15, 2012 11:31pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:34 PM
lhslep134;1144935 wrote:This isn't about Ubaldo, . .
LOLOLOL.

Who is it about? George Jefferson? Muhahahagahsahsa
Apr 15, 2012 11:34pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:39 PM
Failwedge you really don't get it.

The statistics point to this:
By the time all 10 lists were scanned and vetted, the scout was due a call that would contain two messages.

1) That homework assignment was mind-blowing.
2) The industry is wrong. The Indians made a great deal.

Your comment, that it was a stastistically bad trade, is literally arguing against statistics. I can't help that you fail to comprehend that.

Keep trying, keep failing.


PS, you've shifted the argument so much you don't even know what my argument is. Next time you want to have an "intellectual" debate, maybe you should address the actual argument, and oh, having some actual intellect would help too.
Apr 15, 2012 11:39pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:45 PM
lhslep134;1144947 wrote:Failwedge you really don't get it.

The statistics point to this:




Your comment, that it was a stastistically bad trade, is literally arguing against statistics. I can't help that you fail to comprehend that.

Keep trying, keep failing.


PS, you've shifted the argument so much you don't even know what my argument is. Next time you want to have an "intellectual" debate, maybe you should address the actualy argument, and oh, having some actual intellect would help too.
Translation. You lose. I accept your concession....

For everybody else...Drew Pomeranz....top 6 percentile as a pitching prospect. White not listed...no longer viewed as a prospect...because he has already pitched...

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/story/16531723/highlighting-top-pitcher-prospects-for-2012

Better come to court better prepared. A good lawyer will hammer you.
Apr 15, 2012 11:45pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:47 PM
Footwedge;1144951 wrote:Translation. You lose
If I lost, then surely you can answer my question:

What was my "losing" argument?
Apr 15, 2012 11:47pm
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Apr 15, 2012 11:49 PM
Footwedge;1144951 wrote: For everybody else...Drew Pomeranz....top 6 percentile as a pitching prospect.
Oh and uhm being ranked 6th on a list of 25 is actually 76th percentile, or top 24th percentile, not 6th

I told you that you're an idiot. You are literally pwning yourself with your ineptitude, making my job easy.
Apr 15, 2012 11:49pm
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Apr 16, 2012 12:06 AM
Lol
Apr 16, 2012 12:06am
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Apr 16, 2012 12:24 AM
lhslep134;1144956 wrote:Oh and uhm being ranked 6th on a list of 25 is actually 76th percentile, or top 24th percentile, not 6th

I told you that you're an idiot. You are literally pwning yourself with your ineptitude, making my job easy.
You really didn't just say that, did you? Hilarious. Apparently the math is a little tough down there in SEC land. So....pitchers ranked between 26 and 100 are what percentile? Oh...according to your math...they don't count. Funny stuff...indeed.
Apr 16, 2012 12:24am
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Apr 16, 2012 12:28 AM
Noun: Percentile
  • Noun
      1. Each of the 100 equal groups into which a population can be divided according to the distribution of values of a particular variable.
      2. Each of the 99 intermediate values of a random variable that divide a frequency distribution into 100 such group
  • SMH at the guy who will be defending people in court some day.
Apr 16, 2012 12:28am
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Apr 16, 2012 1:40 AM
Footwedge;1144972 wrote: Oh...according to your math...they don't count
No, according to all math they don't count, because they don't exist.


Your math ignorance aside, answer my question:

What was my "losing" argument?
Apr 16, 2012 1:40am
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Apr 16, 2012 11:37 PM
Well you guys can throw statistics and subjective ratings all you want, but the bottom line is that the Ubaldo Jimenez trade is a bad one for the Indians unless he helps them reach the playoffs in the next two years. Even if Ubaldo is only a solid contributor, and the Tribe reaches the playoffs/ALCS/Series, then we can look at the trade positively. But if they don't....there is no way to spin trading potential future stars for a pitcher who did not make a difference.
I think the major disconnect here is, that while the front office sees a window of contention, and is willing to 'go all in', trading future pitching stars for a front end pitcher...there doesn't seem to be that committment from ownership to do the same.
Apr 16, 2012 11:37pm
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Apr 17, 2012 8:13 AM
Somebody else besides me start the Mariners series thread...I opened the ChiSox thread and that was not good!
Apr 17, 2012 8:13am
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Apr 17, 2012 8:40 AM
Grodt started this one, so he should keep starting the threads until they lose a series with him.
Apr 17, 2012 8:40am
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Apr 17, 2012 11:37 AM
Duly seconded.
Apr 17, 2012 11:37am
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Apr 17, 2012 7:03 PM
I see failwedge hasn't answered my simple question or address his pathetically inferior math skills. Not surprised.
Apr 17, 2012 7:03pm