like_that
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Feb 27, 2012 2:14pm
How many years in a row can you franchise a player?BR1986FB;1097686 wrote:Opens up the franchise tag for Phil Dawson.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 27, 2012 2:16pm
I think 2 is the max. Glad to see we got it done, but we def need a reliable back up behind him. Maiavia is a bum.
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BR1986FB
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Feb 27, 2012 2:17pm
I think this is the last year they can. The reason Dawson would get the tag is that he won't re-sign a long-term deal here. He wants to get closer to home (Texas). Hillis is the other option but a) he's not worth top 5 money and b) there's still a very good chance he re-signs by March 13th.like_that;1097688 wrote:How many years in a row can you franchise a player?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 2:18pm
No shit. Maiava is serviceable and a solid special teamer but he can go hang out with David VeikuneCommander of Awesome;1097689 wrote:I think 2 is the max. Glad to see we got it done, but we def need a reliable back up behind him. Maiavia is a bum.
for all I care.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 27, 2012 2:22pm
you take that back. He is only serviceable for the team he is playing against. He was absolutely pathetic last yr against the steelers. Probably one of the worst performances by a LBer I have ever seen and I was here for Ben Taylor.BR1986FB;1097693 wrote:No shit. Maiava is serviceable .
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 27, 2012 2:33pm
I wouldn't even want to franchise Hillis. There would just be more speculation from the media, and they would just stir shit up. No doubt about it.BR1986FB;1097691 wrote:I think this is the last year they can. The reason Dawson would get the tag is that he won't re-sign a long-term deal here. He wants to get closer to home (Texas). Hillis is the other option but a) he's not worth top 5 money and b) there's still a very good chance he re-signs by March 13th.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 27, 2012 2:34pm
Hillis didn't earn the franchise tag.
SportsAndLady
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Feb 27, 2012 2:40pm
Great news on D'Qwell. That is big.
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buckeyes_woowee
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Feb 27, 2012 6:52pm
it hasn't been mentioned much but if the Browns do trade up to get RG3 we can always trade McCoy to get an extra pick or two. I think the most we could possibly get is about a 4th but it will still help ease the pain of moving up to 2.
Crimson streak
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Feb 27, 2012 7:11pm
buckeyes_woowee;1098052 wrote:it hasn't been mentioned much but if the Browns do trade up to get RG3 we can always trade McCoy to get an extra pick or two. I think the most we could possibly get is about a 4th but it will still help ease the pain of moving up to 2.
I would think you gotta trade him if they draft rgIII. You don't wanna have a split locker room
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BR1986FB
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Feb 27, 2012 8:04pm
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 27, 2012 8:12pm
lol we wouldn't get shit for McCoy. 6th at absolute best. Also I think we have to keep him, if we have RG3 I think we need a viable back up. McCoy isn't starting anywhere else regardless.
I'm very happy we resigned DQ. Other than Joe Thomas, who was the last draft pick we resigned? I'm being honest, I can't name him. Its very important to build a stable locker room, leadership, and an identity. I'm glad to keep these guys and think the leadership/continuity is invaluable. Props to DQ for proving me wrong, after his back to back injured years I wrote him off.
I'm very happy we resigned DQ. Other than Joe Thomas, who was the last draft pick we resigned? I'm being honest, I can't name him. Its very important to build a stable locker room, leadership, and an identity. I'm glad to keep these guys and think the leadership/continuity is invaluable. Props to DQ for proving me wrong, after his back to back injured years I wrote him off.
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buckeyes_woowee
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Feb 27, 2012 8:34pm
Charle Frye was traded for a 6th rounderCommander of Awesome;1098202 wrote:lol we wouldn't get **** for McCoy. 6th at absolute best. Also I think we have to keep him, if we have RG3 I think we need a viable back up. McCoy isn't starting anywhere else regardless.
I'm very happy we resigned DQ. Other than Joe Thomas, who was the last draft pick we resigned? I'm being honest, I can't name him. Its very important to build a stable locker room, leadership, and an identity. I'm glad to keep these guys and think the leadership/continuity is invaluable. Props to DQ for proving me wrong, after his back to back injured years I wrote him off.
Brady Quinn was traded for a 6th rounder, Peyton Hillis
Sage Rosenfels was traded for a 4th rounder
Jason Cambell was traded for a 4th rounder
I could think of 4 quarterbacks that were traded with starting experience. Colt is better than Frye and probably the same level as Quinn. I don't think 4th or 5th rounder is too extreme.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Feb 27, 2012 8:40pm
im not buying all this bidding bull shit. there is noway it can cost us two 1st a second 3rd and a 5th. if it is fuck that, and im a huge RGIII. its not like we are moving up 15 spots. we are moving up 2. they should be happy with both 1st and maybe a 5th. other than that call the rams bluff.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 27, 2012 8:42pm
I wouldn't even give up the 5th.shook_17;1098237 wrote:im not buying all this bidding bull shit. there is noway it can cost us two 1st a second 3rd and a 5th. if it is fuck that, and im a huge RGIII. its not like we are moving up 15 spots. we are moving up 2. they should be happy with both 1st and maybe a 5th. other than that call the rams bluff.
You can have our second 1st rounder and we'll swap #4 overall and #2 overall.
Don't like it? bye bye
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 27, 2012 8:43pm
Did you see his press conference? He was in tears at the end. Said he owes Holmgren everything in the world for continuing to believe in him.Commander of Awesome;1098202 wrote:lol we wouldn't get shit for McCoy. 6th at absolute best. Also I think we have to keep him, if we have RG3 I think we need a viable back up. McCoy isn't starting anywhere else regardless.
I'm very happy we resigned DQ. Other than Joe Thomas, who was the last draft pick we resigned? I'm being honest, I can't name him. Its very important to build a stable locker room, leadership, and an identity. I'm glad to keep these guys and think the leadership/continuity is invaluable. Props to DQ for proving me wrong, after his back to back injured years I wrote him off.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 8:45pm
This is dicey. I agree that he would be a viable backup and even a "lightning in a bottle/catch a team off guard" spot starter but you know how it is here. First time RG3 had a bad game the 'Colt, Colt, Colt" chants would start. Was like that with Dilfer/Frye, Frye/DA, DA/Quinn, Delhomme/Wallace/McCoy, and on and on...Commander of Awesome;1098202 wrote:lol we wouldn't get shit for McCoy. 6th at absolute best. Also I think we have to keep him, if we have RG3 I think we need a viable back up. McCoy isn't starting anywhere else regardless.
Unfortunately I had to listen to WKNR on the drive home because 92.3 was talking about the Chardon shooting on the way home. No disrespect but I didn't want to hear them rehash that. The drive time guys made a valid comment regarding RG3 by saying "only in Cleveland does HALF of the city LOVE RG3 and HALF of them HATE him (McCoy supporters)." Almost everywhere else seems to be in love with the guy.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 8:47pm
DQ definitely owes a dept of gratitude to Holmgren/Heckert. Glad he repaid them by sticking around.SportsAndLady;1098241 wrote:Did you see his press conference? He was in tears at the end. Said he owes Holmgren everything in the world for continuing to believe in him.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 27, 2012 8:53pm
Who the fuck hates Griffin?BR1986FB;1098246 wrote: "only in Cleveland does HALF of the city LOVE RG3 and HALF of them HATE him (McCoy supporters)." Almost everywhere else seems to be in love with the guy.
Are you McCoy haters that obsessed with putting "they hate everyone besides McCoy" words in everyone who isn't a McCoy hater's mouths?
I've literally not seen one post on here from someone saying they think RG3 will 100% be a bust.
No one hates RG3, some hate the thought of giving up multiple picks (including very important first rounders) to get him.
Can you get that through your fucking skull please so you don't post it in every god damn post?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 8:58pm
Can you calm your ass down? I was quoting what they said on the radio. I haven't seen any RG3 'haters" on here who have said he'd bust but they ARE out there (meaning NOT on OC). There are groups that think he's going to be "Andre Ware" and "Akili Smith" and he's "gonna bust." If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that ignorant shit. And when most of these people are asked who the franchise QB is their response is "Colt McCoy."SportsAndLady;1098263 wrote:Who the fuck hates Griffin?
Are you McCoy haters that obsessed with putting "they hate everyone besides McCoy" words in everyone who isn't a McCoy hater's mouths?
I've literally not seen one post on here from someone saying they think RG3 will 100% be a bust.
No one hates RG3, some hate the thought of giving up multiple picks (including very important first rounders) to get him.
Can you get that through your fucking skull please so you don't post it in every god damn post?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 27, 2012 9:01pm
Who listens to radio callers?BR1986FB;1098270 wrote:Can you calm your ass down? I was quoting what they said on the radio. I haven't seen any RG3 'haters" on here who have said he'd bust but they ARE out there (meaning NOT on OC). There are groups that think he's going to be "Andre Ware" and "Akili Smith" and he's "gonna bust." If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that ignorant shit. And when most of these people are asked who the franchise QB is their response is "Colt McCoy."
90% of them are clinically retarded.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 27, 2012 9:03pm
Because between him and Seneca, he IS the franchise QB.BR1986FB;1098270 wrote:And when most of these people are asked who the franchise QB is their response is "Colt McCoy."
Is the the franchise QB of the future? We don't know, but he's the franchise's QB at this moment in time.
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BR1986FB
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Feb 27, 2012 9:04pm
I'm not just talking about radio callers. It's everywhere...Browns Facebook pages, Browns message boards, etc. McCoy has a very strong loyalty factor among fans. A lot of people would love an underdog to overcome the odds?SportsAndLady;1098281 wrote:Who listens to radio callers?
90% of them are clinically retarded.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 9:06pm
I agree that he's the current "franchise's" QB but him being a "franchise" QB is up for debate.lhslep134;1098283 wrote:Because between him and Seneca, he IS the franchise QB.
Is the the franchise QB of the future? We don't know, but he's the franchise's QB at this moment in time.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Feb 27, 2012 9:10pm
there is no debate about it. he is NOT a franchise qb. career back up.BR1986FB;1098287 wrote:I agree that he's the current "franchise's" QB but him being a "franchise" QB is up for debate.