Get rid of Wallace. He thinks way too highly of his abilities.

like_that;1196805 wrote:Get rid of Wallace. He thinks way too highly of his abilities.

I agree. Also nice to hear TE Cameron is making strides. We could use his athletic ability on the field.

Commander of Awesome;1196815 wrote:I agree. Also nice to hear TE Cameron is making strides. We could use his athletic ability on the field.

I know that the Pats don't run a WCO but I'd like to see the Browns copy them and use more 2 TE sets. I think there would be a ton of mismatches.

BR1986FB;1196822 wrote:I know that the Pats don't run a WCO but I'd like to see the Browns copy them and use more 2 TE sets. I think there would be a ton of mismatches.

I rather see them resign Armond Smith and give him the ball on 4th and 1.

Commander of Awesome;1196815 wrote:I agree. Also nice to hear TE Cameron is making strides. We could use his athletic ability on the field.

I actually would rather keep Wallace than McCoy. Wallace has been a back up his whole career and plays pretty well coming into a game where as McCoy hasn't done that. I think he's the better option

Whether it's "his job" to be the backup, or not, I just don't see being #2 sitting too well with McCoy. The kid has been a starter since he was a little kid, he was a starter here and now he's gonna be the backup?

Possibly reading too much into it but if you look at the tweets above, one of them was whether he'd "ask for a trade" if he was the backup and it looked like he avoided the question. It's gotta be hard going from being "the man" to "the afterthought" in one season.

BR1986FB;1196857 wrote:Whether it's "his job" to be the backup, or not, I just don't see being #2 sitting too well with McCoy. The kid has been a starter since he was a little kid, he was a starter here and now he's gonna be the backup?

Possibly reading too much into it but if you look at the tweets above, one of them was whether he'd "ask for a trade" if he was the backup and it looked like he avoided the question. It's gotta be hard going from being "the man" to "the afterthought" in one season.

Welcome to the NFL little guy.

McCoy need to forget his dream and worry about being #2 on the roster now.

Yeah I agree with like_that, I'm not concerned about McCoy QQing about being a backup. He's not starting anywhere in the NFL. He doesn't like it, than he needs to get better. Should use it as motivation, if it causes him to QQ and pout, then's he's a mentally weak pussy and doesn't have what it takes in the NFL.

Commander of Awesome;1196943 wrote:Yeah I agree with like_that, I'm not concerned about McCoy QQing about being a backup. He's not starting anywhere in the NFL. He doesn't like it, than he needs to get better. Should use it as motivation, if it causes him to QQ and pout, then's he's a mentally weak **** and doesn't have what it takes in the NFL.

this.

if you don't like it, go sit your ass at home. weeden is the man

shook_17;1198093 wrote:this.

if you don't like it, go sit your ass at home. weeden is the man

Man I hope so.

Commander of Awesome;1198264 wrote:Man I hope so.

I'm optimistic about him but firmly believe he will have his growing pains his rookie year. I expect to see more interceptions out of him (than McCoy would have) simply because I expect him to take more chances down the field instead of the safe, check down route.

I can see that. I just hope its not the dumbass throwing into triple coverage (DA) or the panic scramble throwing across the body across the field to the sideline only to be picked off because he doesn't have the arm strength to get the ball there on a rope (McCoy).

Commander of Awesome;1198267 wrote:I can see that. I just hope its not the dumbass throwing into triple coverage (DA) or the panic scramble throwing across the body across the field to the sideline only to be picked off because he doesn't have the arm strength to get the ball there on a rope (McCoy).

Agree. I laugh at some of the posters on the OBR comparing him to DA. The only similarities that they have are height and arm strength. DA was an interception machine in college with a 50% completion ratio where Weeden didn't throw a lot of picks and hit at almost 70%.

Richardson and the tight ends will hopefully be Weeden's best friend until he learns the speed of the game and can start slinging it.

BR1986FB;1198274 wrote:Agree. I laugh at some of the posters on the OBR comparing him to DA. The only similarities that they have are height and arm strength. DA was an interception machine in college with a 50% completion ratio where Weeden didn't throw a lot of picks and hit at almost 70%.

Richardson and the tight ends will hopefully be Weeden's best friend until he learns the speed of the game and can start slinging it.

Ha comparing the two is blind idiocy. Weeden has accuracy, something DumbAss has never displayed.

Commander of Awesome;1198275 wrote:Ha comparing the two is blind idiocy. Weeden has accuracy, something DumbAss has never displayed.

If that stupid mf'er could've ever developed any kind of "touch", they would've had their QB. Dude screwed himself over by not putting in the work to improve himself.

2012 Fiesta Bowl was on yesterday. I only watched one Weeden drive, the 2 minute drill TD drive he led at the end of the first half. There was a play where protection broke down, he scrambled to his right and (on the run) threw a perfect dart to the sideline for a 12 yard completion. Pretty damn good throw.

Commander of Awesome;1198264 wrote:Man I hope so.

you and me both man. he has the build, the arm, and hopefully the smarts! i think he can be our qb and will be our guy.

its laughable to listen to people comparte DA and BW, like BR said its only height and arm strenght. and its to bad DA didn't want to put the work in, he COULD have been a hell of a qb with an offseason full of hard work. should have traded his ass for a 1st and 3rd that year!

shook_17;1198426 wrote: should have traded his ass for a 1st and 3rd that year!

Fucking Savage. NFL Channel on XM has him on there ALL the time. I think he's their boy. Kirwin seems to think old Phil is a scouting genius. I liked him for awhile but those trades he made before 2008 really fucked the franchise.

http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x836125814/Browns-Shurmur-finally-will-have-offseason-under-his-belt

BR1986FB;1198433 wrote:****ing Savage. NFL Channel on XM has him on there ALL the time. I think he's their boy. Kirwin seems to think old Phil is a scouting genius. I liked him for awhile but those trades he made before 2008 really ****ed the franchise.

lol amen to that dude. i thought for sure he was going to be the GM to lead us to the promise land. and back when we made all those trades i for sure thought Quinn was or qb of the future and eric wright was going to be with this team for a long time. hindsight is weird thing lol

[h=6]Who was the greatest running back
of all time?[/h]




To track down the greatest of all time, you have to pick the right angle. Should you judge a player based on his peak or his longevity? Well, we at Football Outsiders (FO) did both, and no matter how you slice it, Jim Brown is the top running back in NFL history.

Our first step was to analyze every season since 1950 to determine a back's total value, based not only on his stats (yards, TDs, fumbles) but his team's as well (for example, its ratio of rushing first downs to passing first downs). We then normalized the results based on strength of schedule, the NFL's typical offensive output in a given time period and strategic variations. For example, modern runners' TD totals suffer because teams pass in the red zone so much.

All our math identified the top three runners over time spans ranging from a single season to 10 years. As shown in the chart to the left, Brown cracked seven of those lists, finishing in the top spot five times. In fact, all nine of his seasons landed among the top 500 ever. That, like the man himself, is as good as it gets. -- Aaron Schatz

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2012/06/13/wallace-knows-who-will-be-browns-qb.html

[URL="http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2012/06/13/wallace-knows-who-will-be-browns-qb.html"]“I’m a realist,” Wallace said. “Obviously, the kid was drafted in the first round for a reason, and it wasn’t they drafted him to come and sit on the bench. At some point, he’s going to play. If it’s the first week or it’s the 12th week, at some point the kid is going to play.”
Wallace wasn’t done there.
The 10-year veteran, who sat behind Colt McCoy last season, said that he doesn’t think there’s room on the roster for himself, Weeden and McCoy.
&#8220robably not,” Wallace said. “Can any of you guys see all three of us being here?”
Wallace also made it known that he and McCoy have no desire to be Cleveland’s No. 3 quarterback.
“We all know the third guy doesn’t dress Sundays,” Wallace said, “and if it comes down to that decision, obviously neither one of us wants to be that third guy.”

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like_that;1198629 wrote:Who was the greatest running back
of all time?






To track down the greatest of all time, you have to pick the right angle. Should you judge a player based on his peak or his longevity? Well, we at Football Outsiders (FO) did both, and no matter how you slice it, Jim Brown is the top running back in NFL history.

Our first step was to analyze every season since 1950 to determine a back's total value, based not only on his stats (yards, TDs, fumbles) but his team's as well (for example, its ratio of rushing first downs to passing first downs). We then normalized the results based on strength of schedule, the NFL's typical offensive output in a given time period and strategic variations. For example, modern runners' TD totals suffer because teams pass in the red zone so much.

All our math identified the top three runners over time spans ranging from a single season to 10 years. As shown in the chart to the left, Brown cracked seven of those lists, finishing in the top spot five times. In fact, all nine of his seasons landed among the top 500 ever. That, like the man himself, is as good as it gets. -- Aaron Schatz

Yeah no shit sherlock.

Commander of Awesome;1198650 wrote:Yeah no shit sherlock.

It made the cutoff on ESPN as one of these great debates. http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8042283/sonny-liston-tiger-woods-phil-jackson-top-greatest-debates-sports-espn-magazine